SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary - Page 14

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 03:18 PM

I think the fact that teams can place unlimited bids irrespective of their current cap leads to inflationary prices more than this situation, personally.

Liquid Swords · June 23rd, 2005, 03:19 PM

well at least i'm in cap heaven. boys are gonna have to pay some hefty prices for the last starting RBs left on the board because I can easily keep them all under cap. enjoy.

The Immortal Ramirez · June 23rd, 2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I think the fact that teams can place unlimited bids irrespective of their current cap leads to inflationary prices more than this situation, personally.

I agree. But, the thing is...because the rules ARE that way, that WAS some owners strategy - get who you want then bid up everyone else without care...

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I agree. But, the thing is...because the rules ARE that way, that WAS some owners strategy - get who you want then bid up everyone else without care...

It's all about value. If a player is on the market at a value you perceive better than your paying, then you bid on a guy and cut or trade the existing guy. That's where folks mis-stepped IMO. We're not locked into our rosters. They are a fluid process, teams just didn't realize this initially.

Teams that overpaid early, will pay the piper eventually, and prices WILL come down to more realistic levels.

Aside from the RB prices being SKY HIGH, the auction has pretty much gone the way I expected.

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I agree. But, the thing is...because the rules ARE that way, that WAS some owners strategy - get who you want then bid up everyone else without care...

Oh, I totally get that. This is just my annual rant against the rules being that way. This is my warning to get used to it.

Liquid Swords · June 23rd, 2005, 03:52 PM

quick question. can i sign more than 40 FAs just as long as I'm under the roster maximum by the start of the season?

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

quick question. can i sign more than 40 FAs just as long as I'm under the roster maximum by the start of the season?

Nice try at being cute and all, but this is already covered in the rules:

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6A. Active Roster Composition

Each team will have a maximum of thirty (30) roster slots for their Active Roster. All slots need not be filled. Of these thirty roster slots, eighteen (18) are dedicated to the following offensive positions: Quarterback (QB), Running Back or Fullback (RB), Wide Receiver (WR), Tight-End (TE), and Place Kicker (K). The remaining twelve (12) roster slots are dedicated to the following defensive positions: DL (including Defensive Ends and Defensive Tackles), LB (including Middle Linebackers and Outside Linebackers), and DB (Including Cornerbacks and Safeties). From year to year you will be able to keep any player still under contract. Further you will be able to tender contracts to 3 players as Restricted Free Agents each year according to the RFA rules.

Any acquisition that places you over the thirty (30) man roster limit without a move to get back to 30 or below will be placed in "pending" status for no longer than 24 hours. Teams will have a 24 hour grace period from the time of the acquisition that places them over 30 to get back down to 30 or fewer on the roster before penalties start to kick-in.

6B. Roster Minimums

Beginning with the 1st day of In-Season Free Agency, each team must maintain a minimum of 13 Offensive Players (IOP's) and 9 Defensive Players (IDP's) on their Active Roster. The 13 IOP and 9 IDP's can be any mix of positions within either side of the ball, as long as you have at least 13 on offense and 9 on defense. During the off-season(which commences after the Super Bowl, teams are allowed to be below these minimums.

Any move that places you under the 13 IOP / 9 IDP roster minimums without a move to get back to the required minimum within 24 hours will result in a permanent 250cb fine PER INFRACTION, as well as an additional 250cb temporary hold on your cap until you reach the required minimums for both sides of the ball. Again, these penalties are PER INFRACTION!

Whereas the Roster Minium specifies a start date of the In-Season Free Agency period, the Roster Max of 30 is not dependent upon any timeline. The answer is if you go over 30, you have 24 hours to get back to 30 or below.

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

quick question. can i sign more than 40 FAs just as long as I'm under the roster maximum by the start of the season?

No. Roster and cap maximums are always in effect.

Looks like it's the Swords week to go off the deep end.

Liquid Swords · June 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM

yeah just found it. so there are some "roster" restrictions. and i never go off the deep end. you'd all be very surprised how easily i can keep my cool.

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Nice try at being cute and all, but this is already covered in the rules:

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That's the worst cut and paste I've ever seen.

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

That's the worst cut and paste I've ever seen.

heh, I used quick reply, and couldn't change the color till I got to an edit screen lol... you barely gave me 60 seconds to fix it.

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

No. Roster and cap maximums are always in effect.

Looks like it's the Swords week to go off the deep end.

Yup, it's a LONG auction, we've all been there. Heck, I was there a week ago.

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

heh, I used quick reply, and couldn't change the color till I got to an edit screen lol... you barely gave me 60 seconds to fix it.

I'm a quick little bastard.

June 23rd, 2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Yup, it's a LONG auction, we've all been there. Heck, I was there a week ago.

Some would say that you live there.

:muhaha

Nittany Dodgers · June 23rd, 2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Yup, it's a LONG auction, we've all been there. Heck, I was there a week ago.

I'm glad I got mine out of my system early. Now I can mock all you weak hearted wimmin.

keepers · June 23rd, 2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Jack = Subzero = Keepers. If Jack wins the current bids he's high on, he'll be exceeding the cap by 245 with just 19 players. He'll have to make cuts or trades within 24 hours to get under.

Frank I don't mind being outbid on Brees as I couldn't afford both Brees and Chambers without cutting someone. If I win Chambers think that will put me at 19025 with still having to get 5 IOPs to meet minimum roster requirements.

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keepers

Frank I don't mind being outbid on Brees as I couldn't afford both Brees and Chambers without cutting someone. If I win Chambers think that will put me at 19025 with still having to get 5 IOPs to meet minimum roster requirements.

You using that fuzzy Canadian math or something? There is NO conversion rate with our cap $'s! ;)

I have you at 18 players and 19,735 if you win Chambers. Leaving you 265 to get a minimum of 4 players, which obviously won't be enough.

June 23rd, 2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

well at least i'm in cap heaven. boys are gonna have to pay some hefty prices for the last starting RBs left on the board because I can easily keep them all under cap. enjoy.

glad i got SA

Burt the Butcher · June 23rd, 2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

quick question. can i sign more than 40 FAs just as long as I'm under the roster maximum by the start of the season?

I vote we let him try....could be interesting to see how he gets back to the max and cap limits.....:rockon

Burt the Butcher · June 23rd, 2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

glad i got SA

Yah, and so are the Bugs.:bling

Liquid Swords · June 23rd, 2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

I vote we let him try....could be interesting to see how he gets back to the max and cap limits.....:rockon

that would be fun....if everyone bumps all 3 RBs (staley, suggs, and barlow) one more time, i just might make a run at it for shits and giggles.

Flaxwless · June 23rd, 2005, 04:40 PM

I altually liked SA at that price and as for Brees I would like to have him... nothing on bidding up his price.

Preds · June 23rd, 2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

You using that fuzzy Canadian math or something? There is NO conversion rate with our cap $'s! ;)

I have you at 18 players and 19,735 if you win Chambers. Leaving you 265 to get a minimum of 4 players, which obviously won't be enough.

oops, my bad. I still had Kerney on keepers roster. I'm the one with the fuzzy math.

randilover · June 23rd, 2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

well at least i'm in cap heaven. boys are gonna have to pay some hefty prices for the last starting RBs left on the board because I can easily keep them all under cap. enjoy.

There's a few other teams that can too (I'm nto one of them). Don't show too much of your hand...

keepers · June 23rd, 2005, 04:43 PM

It was a funny conversion comment, will give you that.

keepers · June 23rd, 2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaxwless

I altually liked SA at that price and as for Brees I would like to have him... nothing on bidding up his price.

I also like SA at the price as you know what you are getting. There are some RBs going for over a 1000 who won't end up being the starter and useless.

I like Brees at that price, if I get outbid on Chambers I may be back in on the Brees action :muhaha

The Immortal Ramirez · June 23rd, 2005, 04:56 PM

LJ is over 1000. but if Priest goes down, I'll be golden. I don't mind. he's fot the future!

Mutts · June 24th, 2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Preds

Jack = Subzero = Keepers. If Jack wins the current bids he's high on, he'll be exceeding the cap by 245 with just 19 players. He'll have to make cuts or trades within 24 hours to get under.

As for it being advantagous, in what way? He still has to abide by the cap. By hoarding RB's, Frank missed out on bidding on players for nearly 2 weeks. Always being under the cap is enough of a deterrent. We have the entire off-season to build our roster, nowhere in the rules does it specify you must reserve cap space, nor should it IMO.

The regulation to keep teams in check is the cap. That you and Jake assumed you had to have space to meet the minimums is nobodies fault but your own. We've never forced teams to meet the minimums in the off-season in the Frenzy. Why would SAC'D be any different? By tieing up cap dollars, Frank inhibited his ability to acquire other players, that's penalty enough.

I haven't even made it through this thread tonight yet - but I want to make it clear that I never assumed I had to meet minimums. I've known the lack of limits we're playing with all along, I just think the fictitious market its creating is going to be a burden on the league in the short term.

keepers · June 24th, 2005, 09:28 AM

I don't understand the lack of limits comments, isn't there a minimum requirement of 13 IOPs and 9 IDPs? Doesn't this have to be met by the time of the end of the auction? How is it an advantage to have to cut someone to meet these requirements and stay under the cap?

June 24th, 2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by keepers

I don't understand the lack of limits comments, isn't there a minimum requirement of 13 IOPs and 9 IDPs? Doesn't this have to be met by the time of the end of the auction? How is it an advantage to have to cut someone to meet these requirements and stay under the cap?

There are no minimums in the offseason. You do not have to be up to the min till sometime in Aug (forget the exact date).

June 23rd, 2005, 03:18 PM	#391
Nittany Dodgers Feeding Frenzy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Maplewood, MN Posts: 5,204	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary I think the fact that teams can place unlimited bids irrespective of their current cap leads to inflationary prices more than this situation, personally.

June 23rd, 2005, 03:19 PM	#392
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary well at least i'm in cap heaven. boys are gonna have to pay some hefty prices for the last starting RBs left on the board because I can easily keep them all under cap. enjoy. __________________ 5 time Frenzy Champion - 2024, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2016 - Liquid Swords 5 time SAC'D Champion - 2024, co-2022, 2021, 2019, 2010 - Disciples of the 36 Chambers

June 23rd, 2005, 03:52 PM	#396
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary quick question. can i sign more than 40 FAs just as long as I'm under the roster maximum by the start of the season?

June 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM	#399
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary yeah just found it. so there are some "roster" restrictions. and i never go off the deep end. you'd all be very surprised how easily i can keep my cool.

June 23rd, 2005, 04:40 PM	#412
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary I altually liked SA at that price and as for Brees I would like to have him... nothing on bidding up his price. __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

June 23rd, 2005, 04:43 PM	#415
keepers SAC'D Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 465	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary It was a funny conversion comment, will give you that.

June 23rd, 2005, 04:56 PM	#417
The Immortal Ramirez PredsFF.com Portal News Reporters Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,210	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary LJ is over 1000. but if Priest goes down, I'll be golden. I don't mind. he's fot the future!

June 24th, 2005, 09:28 AM	#419
keepers SAC'D Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 465	Re: SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary I don't understand the lack of limits comments, isn't there a minimum requirement of 13 IOPs and 9 IDPs? Doesn't this have to be met by the time of the end of the auction? How is it an advantage to have to cut someone to meet these requirements and stay under the cap?

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