Vibe and Pitbulls deal

[Preds]

Going to the Valencia Vibe...
QB Brad Johnson - renegotiated to 2 years at 400
QB David Garrard
RB TJ Duckett - laterally moved to Vibe's IR
K Sebastian Janikowski
2006 rookie draft picks 3.07 and 4.01


Going to the Pitbulls
RB Reuben Droughns - renegotiated to 3 years at 1200
WR Donte Stallworth - renegotiated to 5 years at 610

[Valencia]

Confirmed... :idiot

[Doggler]

I guess that means you're not going to deal Stallworth to me.

[Preds]

FYI, this trade isn't "officially" anounced until 12:01am Thursday 3/31 (primarily to allow my squad the 24 hour window for contracts to expire at midnight 3/31 and keep me under the cap).

The reality is, we could have posted this tommorrow, but Brett's computer is in the shop at Best Buy with a bad HD, he had to go to a friends to leach some internet access to declare his RFA's tonight and confirm this deal.

With the renegs, I'm over the cap by 270 or so, but that gets wiped out at midnight with all the 1 year contracts expired. If it's considered uncool, I'll cut Givens or something to be under.

[Nittany Dodgers]

I have no problem with that, but in that case the reference to Duckett going latteraly to the Vibe's IR is irrelevant since all IR's are cleared as of 4/1, correct?

Edited to add that I assume all of the renegotiations reflect renegotiations of 2006 contracts, and not 2005 contracts?

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I have no problem with that, but in that case the reference to Duckett going latteraly to the Vibe's IR is irrelevant since all IR's are cleared as of 4/1, correct?

Edited to add that I assume all of the renegotiations reflect renegotiations of 2006 contracts, and not 2005 contracts?

Actually, I believe the rules state that IR must be cleared prior to the rookie draft. At least I know that's what the Frenzy states. The reason Brett kept Duckett on his IR in the lateral move is that he doesn't have the roster space to accomodate him today, although with the 24 hour rule and contracts expiring tonight it really shouldn't matter.

Also, I've made another deal (pending final confirmation), so I'll be under the cap anyhow, but IMO, any team exceeding the cap or roster limit today is OK as long as they have room tommorrow after the 1 year contracts expire.

As for the extentions, 2005 contracts are renegotiated, thus for example taking a 100 cb 1 year contrct and extending it to 2 years would mean that 100cb becomes 250 for 2005 and 275 in 2006 for the 2nd year of the deal after the 10% raise on April 1.

[Nittany Dodgers]

There are 31 days in March, no? So a deal made today is more than 24 hours away from contracts expiring at midnight tomorrow night.

I'm not going to make a stink about it but I think it makes a bad precedent. What is the difference between this and agreeing to a trade in January with the footnote that "it does not take effect until March 31 at which point the limits don't matter because contracts will expire the next day." I think it is abusing a loophole in the rules. But, if no one else sees it my way, then whatever.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

There are 31 days in March, no? So a deal made today is more than 24 hours away from contracts expiring at midnight tomorrow night.

I'm not going to make a stink about it but I think it makes a bad precedent. What is the difference between this and agreeing to a trade in January with the footnote that "it does not take effect until March 31 at which point the limits don't matter because contracts will expire the next day." I think it is abusing a loophole in the rules. But, if no one else sees it my way, then whatever.

Oops, you're right.

I was thinking today was the 31st. Then you are correct, teams need to stay under the cap and roster limits today.

I'm now under BTW (just barely though).

[Nittany Dodgers]

How about Brett?

[Doggler]

Not to be s stickler but I agree with the Dodgers, its a wee bit weaselish. Reminds me of what me and Burt tried to pull in CDL last year at this time (Bulger, Wayne, etc)

Originally Posted by Doggler

Not to be s stickler but I agree with the Dodgers, its a wee bit weaselish. Reminds me of what me and Burt tried to pull in CDL last year at this time (Bulger, Wayne, etc)

at least you now admit that you are a weasle dogs.

that is the first step

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

How about Brett?

He was never exceeding the cap or the roster limits.

[Nittany Dodgers]

In post #6 you stated Duckett had to go to the IR for Brett to have enough room to accomodate this trade. That is why it appeared to be an issue.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

In post #6 you stated Duckett had to go to the IR for Brett to have enough room to accomodate this trade. That is why it appeared to be an issue.

Actually he has 1 spot open and plenty of cap space, but the lateral move to IR isn't and shouldn't be an issue anyhow.

[Preds]

Brett made 2 cuts yesterday, and sent me 2 players, giving him 4 open slots, I sent him 4 players, 1 of whom was on IR.

Originally we didn't have Stallworth in the deal and he woulda needed to move Duckett laterally. When we changed the terms and players involved and he made 2 cuts he was actually fine without the lateral IR move, I just didn't realize it.

And BTW, did we, or did we not clarify last year that laterally moving from 1 teams IR to anothers via trade was allowed? I'd swear we all agreed it was fine.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

And BTW, did we, or did we not clarify last year that laterally moving from 1 teams IR to anothers via trade was allowed? I'd swear we all agreed it was fine.

Yes, I am in agreement with that. However, with the convolution surrounding this trade (first it was not going to be effective until March 31, then is was effective now, when were the renegotions?, etc) it wasn't clear to me that Brett had the room to do the trade now. But, if with the cuts, he's got to room to do it for 2005 then we're all good. I was just clarifying (it probably would have been easier had I just checked the roster app for myself).

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Yes, I am in agreement with that. However, with the convolution surrounding this trade (first it was not going to be effective until March 31, then is was effective now, when were the renegotions?, etc) it wasn't clear to me that Brett had the room to do the trade now. But, if with the cuts, he's got to room to do it for 2005 then we're all good. I was just clarifying (it probably would have been easier had I just checked the roster app for myself).

I'll be posting an updated app in a bit.