Reds and The Great Shep agree to trade

[zdravko27]

Reds give: Brent Celek
Shep gives: Malcom Floyd

Shep to confirm.

[greatshepski]

I accept
Pleas put 2yrs on his contract, as I believe this can be done at this time.

[Scorpions]

added to MFL site

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by greatshepski

I accept
Pleas put 2yrs on his contract, as I believe this can be done at this time.

Not sure what you're referring to here.
There is no renegotiation in the Frenzy League.
If it's a free agent that was picked up by another owner, then traded... that owner must declare the contract years before a trade is made, otherwise it's a one year deal.
If that hasn't been done here... then I'll allow the trade to be voided... have the owner declare years... then redo the trade.
Sounds nit-picky, but that's the rules.

HERE's the exact spot in our rules...

7E. Trade Restrictions & Deadlines
Trades between teams are unlimited. Trades will be subject to a 24 hour review period by the rules committee, who by majority vote can overturn a trade if they feel it is if appears to be extremely one-sided or collusionary. The league can overturn the rules committee's vote with a 2/3's majority vote from the entire league.
Players CANNOT be traded without their contract years 1st being assigned by the original team.
All players must have designated years assigned by their salaries prior to being traded. This means any rookies and/or UFA players during the off season cannot go to a new team without specific contract years being named. No trades involving off-season RFA players can be officially posted until the mid-August declaration deadline.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Sorry... I originally missed this on August 9th when the trade went through.

[zdravko27]

Rules are rules.

Perhaps this one needs changing, however. I couldn't come up with a single reason why the acquiring owner shouldn't be allowed to set the years as part of the trade. Does anybody have any insight what's value-added from requiring the 'selling' owner to do it? Seems counter-intuitive.

Anyway, if Shep is still on board with this, I will be glad to formally declare Celek with a two-year contract. His post setting the years was immediately after the trade, so it's not like he was gaming the system by waiting.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by zdravko27

Rules are rules.

Perhaps this one needs changing, however. I couldn't come up with a single reason why the acquiring owner shouldn't be allowed to set the years as part of the trade. Does anybody have any insight what's value-added from requiring the 'selling' owner to do it? Seems counter-intuitive.

Anyway, if Shep is still on board with this, I will be glad to formally declare Celek with a two-year contract. His post setting the years was immediately after the trade, so it's not like he was gaming the system by waiting.

Not that hard for him to tell you to assign a 2 year deal in your post. It's been that way since the league started.

As for the value, just a matter of contract timing. Before a player is traded the contract needs to be finalized. Otherwise, it is hard to trade a player who is technically not under contract. PLUS, the FA still needs to fit in under both the SALARY and YEAR cap before they are traded. If you only have 2 years available and want to assign the FA 5 years before trading him no can do.

[Liquid Swords]

Celek was a UFA acquisition on 5/23/11. I processed this on the roster app shortly after the trade was accepted. Reds had the required contract year space available.

I interperated this trade as the 2 years being the declaration of contract years for Celek. Yes, in the future the contract year assignments should be posted in the original trade thread, but I see nothing wrong with this trade and year assignment

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[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by zdravko27

Rules are rules.

Perhaps this one needs changing, however. I couldn't come up with a single reason why the acquiring owner shouldn't be allowed to set the years as part of the trade. Does anybody have any insight what's value-added from requiring the 'selling' owner to do it? Seems counter-intuitive.

You have to have cap room on your team to acquire a player both in years and money. If we did not enforce the years cap, should we than also assume we should not enforce the salary cap either? Thus, you have to have years available to sign your player once we declare. So until that point of declaring your RFA, UFA and rookie assignments, all are assumed to have 1 year contracts, and you must have room for each player at 1 year. If you trade him, you must assign years first, to assure you are not in violation with the contract given that player.

[zdravko27]

Off the top of my head here are two ways to get around this problem with the current rule still in place.

One: assign five years in the trade thread, be over the cap and get back under the cap within the allotted time frame by trading.

Two: if your trading partner wants five years on the contract for player X and you only have two available, you can first trade him Player Y with a three year contract. Then you assign five years to Player X, complete the original trade, and he returns to you Player Y in one more trade.

There are probably even more workarounds, but clearly this supposed purpose is not achieved. Any other guesses? What is being accomplished by requiring me to state "Celek - 2 years" and not allowing Shep to do it instead as he confirms the trade?

[Burt the Butcher]

I guess there will always be loopholes that the intelligent people playing in our leagues will be able to find.

I agree though, and I also think this rule is a silly one, and would welcome any input to changing it to make things more 'realistic' with what actually goes one. I was just trying to explain the justification behind what the rules intent was (or at least what I assume Mikes intent was)

We just have to make sure it does not 'seem' to be a Renegotiation, as we all now how people in this league view that word ;-)

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Good morning! It's 9am here in the islands... I'm in my office for the day & am getting up to speed on this thread.

The rationale behind the rule is as has been stated. In order to sign a team, a team must have contract space AND salary space. Of course, if you know you will be trading a player, can ask the new owner how many years he'd like BEFORE the trade... as long as you have that many cap years available on YOUR squad.

Reds, the "workaround" scenarios you suggested would be fine. However you want to manage your roster within the set rules works.

This shouldn't be a big deal.
I'm going to allow the previous deal to be voided & redone with two years, as long as the originating owner had space.
No penalties or infractions will be levied at this time.
It's all good.