Kick Return TDs - PASSES - 9 Yes / 0 No

PencilGeeks · October 6th, 2008, 11:44 AM

My question is related to the punt return TD that DeSean Jackson scored this weekend: I noticed that it was not accounted for in the scoring app. Since this is a 'player-based' league (eg. we do not play team defenses) then I would assume that like an Interception of Fumble return TD, a Punt Return TD would be credited to the player. However, after reviewing the rules it is unclear to me how kick return TDs are scored as it is never specifically mentioned:

Under 'OFFENSE' it mentions 'All other offensive TDs (ex. Fumbles.)' are 6 pts.. and then under 'DEFENSE' it mentions 'Fumble / Interception / blocked Field Goal / blocked Punt'.. but never address kick return TDs...

Burt the Butcher · October 6th, 2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

My question is related to the punt return TD that DeSean Jackson scored this weekend: I noticed that it was not accounted for in the scoring app. Since this is a 'player-based' league (eg. we do not play team defenses) then I would assume that like an Interception of Fumble return TD, a Punt Return TD would be credited to the player. However, after reviewing the rules it is unclear to me how kick return TDs are scored as it is never specifically mentioned:

Under 'OFFENSE' it mentions 'All other offensive TDs (ex. Fumbles.)' are 6 pts.. and then under 'DEFENSE' it mentions 'Fumble / Interception / blocked Field Goal / blocked Punt'.. but never address kick return TDs...

We don't count special teams stats..don't even think fumbles/tackles on special teams count....

Philadelphia Freedom · October 6th, 2008, 01:08 PM

For some reason I thought TD's did count for the individual player but I am probably mistaken.

PencilGeeks · October 6th, 2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

We don't count special teams stats..don't even think fumbles/tackles on special teams count....

Are you sure? I think that Special Team tackles just show up in the NFL stats along with all other tackles..

Philadelphia Freedom · October 6th, 2008, 01:56 PM

That is correct as David Akers got credit for a tackle (on a kickoff return I think) last week.

Burt the Butcher · October 6th, 2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

That is correct as David Akers got credit for a tackle (on a kickoff return I think) last week.

OK, maybe tackles do count on special teams. We don't score points for kickoff or punt return TD's though. I verified that in the scoring setup.

PencilGeeks · October 6th, 2008, 04:10 PM

Really? Ok... but that is a shame! And it also seems like a major over-sight on such a detailed stat and scoring, player-oriented league... especially when you consider that every other type of stat is accounted for (rush attempts, passes defended, etc) and not a special teams Touchdown?! Thats just full

In any case, I'd definitely like to put that on the table as a rule change going into next year. At the very least it would another management dynamic to staffing a team and choosing WRs / RBs and even DBs.

Burt the Butcher · October 6th, 2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

Really? Ok... but that is a shame! And it also seems like a major over-sight on such a detailed stat and scoring, player-oriented league... especially when you consider that every other type of stat is accounted for (rush attempts, passes defended, etc) and not a special teams Touchdown?! Thats just full

In any case, I'd definitely like to put that on the table as a rule change going into next year. At the very least it would another management dynamic to staffing a team and choosing WRs / RBs and even DBs.

I have no issues with putting that on the table to be disussed and voted on next year. Would be an easy change to make.

Flaxwless · October 6th, 2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

I have no issues with putting that on the table to be disussed and voted on next year. Would be an easy change to make.

Sounds good to me as long as return yardage is not added. BLAH.

PencilGeeks · October 7th, 2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Sounds good to me as long as return yardage is not added. BLAH.

I agree.. return yardage would really through things out of wack, but return TDs seems like it would be easy and are such a game-changing events that they should be accounted for (the Reggie Bush owner

can chime in now)..

Flaxwless · October 7th, 2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

I agree.. return yardage would really through things out of wack, but return TDs seems like it would be easy and are such a game-changing events that they should be accounted for (the Reggie Bush owner

can chime in now)..

I did.

Still agree return yardage shouldn't count but I can live with it.

Burt the Butcher · April 9th, 2009, 01:36 PM

Frank or Hans, would either one of you like to word this how you feel it should be voted on and we can put it out there for a vote?

PencilGeeks · April 13th, 2009, 06:46 PM

Maybe something like

"All other TDs not otherwise accounted for such as Punt or KO Return TDs will be credited to the player scoring the TD"

PencilGeeks · April 20th, 2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PencilGeeks

Maybe something like

"All other TDs not otherwise accounted for such as Punt or KO Return TDs will be credited to the player scoring the TD"

Hey Burt.. is this ok for a vote?

Burt the Butcher · April 21st, 2009, 09:33 AM

Poll added...please everyone read above description and vote

Burt the Butcher · April 23rd, 2009, 06:53 PM

Passed...hopefully I can figure out how to update the website to count this properly....

View Poll Results: Credit All TDs not otherwise accounted for such as Punt or KO Return TDs?
Yes	9	100.00%
No	0	0%
Voters: 9. This poll is closed

October 6th, 2008, 11:44 AM	#1
PencilGeeks General Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,325	Kick Return TDs - PASSES - 9 Yes / 0 No My question is related to the punt return TD that DeSean Jackson scored this weekend: I noticed that it was not accounted for in the scoring app. Since this is a 'player-based' league (eg. we do not play team defenses) then I would assume that like an Interception of Fumble return TD, a Punt Return TD would be credited to the player. However, after reviewing the rules it is unclear to me how kick return TDs are scored as it is never specifically mentioned: Under 'OFFENSE' it mentions 'All other offensive TDs (ex. Fumbles.)' are 6 pts.. and then under 'DEFENSE' it mentions 'Fumble / Interception / blocked Field Goal / blocked Punt'.. but never address kick return TDs... __________________ Hans Sorensen PencilGeeks "They got exits covered. All the exits underground. I wish I could figure it out. But the world's upside down" - Foals

October 6th, 2008, 01:08 PM	#3
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,270	Re: Kick Return TDs For some reason I thought TD's did count for the individual player but I am probably mistaken.

October 6th, 2008, 01:56 PM	#5
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,270	Re: Kick Return TDs That is correct as David Akers got credit for a tackle (on a kickoff return I think) last week.

October 6th, 2008, 04:10 PM	#7
PencilGeeks General Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,325	Re: Kick Return TDs Really? Ok... but that is a shame! And it also seems like a major over-sight on such a detailed stat and scoring, player-oriented league... especially when you consider that every other type of stat is accounted for (rush attempts, passes defended, etc) and not a special teams Touchdown?! Thats just full In any case, I'd definitely like to put that on the table as a rule change going into next year. At the very least it would another management dynamic to staffing a team and choosing WRs / RBs and even DBs. __________________ Hans Sorensen PencilGeeks "They got exits covered. All the exits underground. I wish I could figure it out. But the world's upside down" - Foals

April 9th, 2009, 01:36 PM	#12
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 19,481	Re: Kick Return TDs Frank or Hans, would either one of you like to word this how you feel it should be voted on and we can put it out there for a vote? __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 13th, 2009, 06:46 PM	#13
PencilGeeks General Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,325	Re: Kick Return TDs Maybe something like "All other TDs not otherwise accounted for such as Punt or KO Return TDs will be credited to the player scoring the TD" __________________ Hans Sorensen PencilGeeks "They got exits covered. All the exits underground. I wish I could figure it out. But the world's upside down" - Foals

April 21st, 2009, 09:33 AM	#15
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 19,481	Re: Kick Return TDs Poll added...please everyone read above description and vote __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

April 23rd, 2009, 06:53 PM	#16
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 19,481	Re: Kick Return TDs Passed...hopefully I can figure out how to update the website to count this properly.... __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

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