Unofficial 2006 Rookie Bonuses

[Nittany Dodgers]

Obviously this is unofficial as there is still one week left in the season, but as things stand now, the following players are in line for the following bonuses:

Carson Palmer, #1 QB, 500 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1023
Larry Johnson, #3 RB, 450 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1089
Eli Manning, #5 QB, 350 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 728
Larry Fitzgerald, #3 WR, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 627
Clinton Portis, #8 RB, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary maxed at 2000
Stephen Jackson, #10 RB, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 869
Jeremy Shockey, #2 TE, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 731
Willis McGahee, #14 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1182
Cadillac Williams, #18 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 750
Chris Brown, #19 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 772
Julius Jones, #20 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 793
Donte Stallworth, #19 WR, 100 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 510
Ben Roethlisberger, #20 QB, 100 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 451
LJ Smith, #10 TE, 38 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 171

Only one non 1st round pick (LJ Smith) are in line for a bonus this year, though a couple of players with expiring contracts would have earned one. Two non 1st round picks earned bonuses last year (Jason Witten and Nate Burelson).

Total Bonuses earned by team:

Royal Hawaiian Opihi = 700
Parkwood Predators = 550
Wonder Mutts = 500
Urza's Ragers = 450
Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers = 400
Nittany Dodgers = 300
Jersey Toxic Waste = 300
Liquid Swords = 200
Philadelphia Freedom = 38
Ypsilanti Undead = 0
Soap Box Derby Cars = 0
Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects = 0

[Preds]

Wow, Eli did that well?

At 728 he might never make my active roster again! Top QB's for whatever reason are not paid that much in the Frenzy, and for a QB2 type like Eli, 700+ is too much (IMO at least). Oh well, I'll probably just keep him stashed on my TS and use him 1 week like I did this past season.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

Wow, Eli did that well?

At 728 he might never make my active roster again! Top QB's for whatever reason are not paid that much in the Frenzy, and for a QB2 type like Eli, 700+ is too much (IMO at least). Oh well, I'll probably just keep him stashed on my TS and use him 1 week like I did this past season.

Well, if he repeats his #5 overall performance, I would think you might rethink his QB2 status.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Well, if he repeats his #5 overall performance, I would think you might rethink his QB2 status.

A big if IMO, maybe I should just trade him to a believer!

[Preds]

Brian,

Final week 17 stats have been updated, so you can update the list as necessary.

[Nittany Dodgers]

This list is now official. Several players have changed ranking, but only two players' bonuses were affected. Both Donte' Stallworth and Chris Brown dropped out of their respective top 20, and no longer get a bonus. The official bonuses are:

Carson Palmer, #1 QB, 500 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1023
Larry Johnson, #2 RB, 450 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1089
Eli Manning, #4 QB, 350 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 728
Larry Fitzgerald, #2 WR, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 627
Clinton Portis, #6 RB, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary maxed at 2000
Stephen Jackson, #10 RB, 300 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 869
Jeremy Shockey, #2 TE, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 731
Willis McGahee, #14 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 1182
Cadillac Williams, #17 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 750
Julius Jones, #20 RB, 200 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 793
Ben Roethlisberger, #19 QB, 100 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 451
LJ Smith, #10 TE, 38 cb bonus, new 2006 salary = 171

Total Bonuses earned by team:

Royal Hawaiian Opihi = 700
Parkwood Predators = 550
Urza's Ragers = 450
Wonder Mutts = 300
Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers = 300
Nittany Dodgers = 300
Jersey Toxic Waste = 300
Liquid Swords = 200
Philadelphia Freedom = 38
Ypsilanti Undead = 0
Soap Box Derby Cars = 0
Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects = 0

[Nittany Dodgers]

In the SAC’D thread on rookie bonuses, I stated that the problem I see with the Frenzy bonuses are they don’t translate equally to all positions. For instance, with quarterbacks, the top 20 get a bonus, which means definite backup quality QBs get a bonus. However, with wide receivers, the top 20 get a bonuse meaning some definite solid starters do not get a bonus. I thus proposed we should give bonuses to the following top at each position: top 10 QBs, top 20 RBs, top 30 WRs, top 10 tight ends. This would mean that all but a couple players who would be considered starters in our league would receive a bonus at each positions. I propose the following change (first round picks included only, each successive round, the bonus is reduced by 25%).

Current

QBs QBs

#1 500
2-5 350
6-10 200
11-20 100


Proposed
#1 500
#2 400
#3 300
#4 200
#5 150
6-10 100

RBs

#1 600
2-5 450
6-10 300
11-20 200

Proposed
Unchanged

WRs
Current
#1 450
2-5 300
6-10 200
11-20 100


Proposed
#1 450
2-5 300
6-10 250
11-20 150
21-30 100

TEs

#1 225
#2 200
#3 175
#4 150
#5 125
6-10 50

Proposed
Unchanged

This would result in changes to the following 2005 earned bonuses for 2006 salaries:

Eli Manning, finishing as the #4 overall QB, his bonus drops from 350 cbs to 200 cbs, leaving a 2006 salary at 578 versus 728.

Ben Roethlisberger, finishing at the #19 QB, his bonus drops from 100 cbs to 0 cbs, leavening his 2006 salary at 351 versus 451.

Donte Stallworth, finishing at the #21 WR now earns a bonus of 100 leaving his 2006 salary at 510 versus 410.

Antonio Bryant finishing at the #25 WR now earns a bonus of 100 leaving his 2006 salary at 451 instead of 351.

I would propose these changed are not retroactive for previously earned bonuses, and that we change the bonus structure for now and going forward only.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

This makes sense. So you're suggesting to start with the above listed bonuses, not NEXT year's bonuses, correct? I'd be fine with that.

[Preds]

Looks good to me.

We still need to fix RFA tenders for QB's, WR's, and possibly TE's.

Where you at with that Brian?

[Liquid Swords]

sounds good to me. nice work brian!

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

Looks good to me.

We still need to fix RFA tenders for QB's, WR's, and possibly TE's.

Where you at with that Brian?

We do? I know we wanted WRs to be higher, what did we want to do with QBs and TEs? I thought they were ok. Which direction did we want them?

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

We do? I know we wanted WRs to be higher, what did we want to do with QBs and TEs? I thought they were ok. Which direction did we want them?

oddly, I'm not sure.

For whatever reason, the Frenzy doesn't place a high enough value on TE's, but I think that will change. I expect the TE scale to go up, and think guys like Gates, Gonzo, Shockey, etc should need tenders at 1000 or or so to net a first (I believe it's at 750?).

On the other hand, QB's have been trending downwards, and I think we should lower it a bit.

IMO, QB's and TE's should probably have the same scale, since both are start 12 positions.

As for WR's, the scale definately needs to be higher for the top tier, maybe not so much for the middle tiers.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

oddly, I'm not sure.

For whatever reason, the Frenzy doesn't place a high enough value on TE's, but I think that will change. I expect the TE scale to go up, and think guys like Gates, Gonzo, Shockey, etc should need tenders at 1000 or or so to net a first (I believe it's at 750?).

On the other hand, QB's have been trending downwards, and I think we should lower it a bit.

IMO, QB's and TE's should probably have the same scale, since both are start 12 positions.

As for WR's, the scale definately needs to be higher for the top tier, maybe not so much for the middle tiers.

Definitely agreed WRs need to go up, but I definitely disagree that QBs and TEs should have the same scale just because we both start 12. By that logic, Ks and Defense should be on the same scale.

As far as TEs being undervalued, I have always made that argument. I do think the salaries will be coming up. Witten and Schockey are near or at the end of their rookie contracts. I think Gates' cheap contract is up as well. However, until we see these go up, and to what point they go, I hesitate to adjust. We know WRs are a problem, so we reactionarily adjust them. Until TEs become a problem, I don't think we need to adjust.

I remember the Swords and I have a brief conversation on the theory behind RFA tender levels, and the relationship to an overvalued and undervalued position. Do you set the RFA tender level at the "real" value (say determined by VBD) or at the market level?

Right now, with each position (assuming an upward adjustments with WRs), there are only a handful of players that have salaries above the 1st round tender level, yet those salaries are significantly above that level. If there were free market forces for all tight ends, I would think maybe 5 tops go above our current 750 top level, and the rest falling quickly below that level, yet there is only 1 above that level currently.

Look at RBs. Do we think we have that level correct? There are only 4 RBs over the top tender level currently, but the following players are on their rookie contract and I would think would make more than the 2000 top level: Portis, Larry Johnson, McGahee, KJones (well, maybe not anymore), Julius Jones, Stephen Jackson, Cadillac. If you think there is not enough money for all these guys to take big salaries, I simply point to Tony Fisher's 1050 cb salary. There is plenty of free money in the league.

Bottom line, TEs aren't a problem yet, and I hesitate to tick them up until it is. The best tight ends are deserving of 1st round compensation, but I don't think tight ends should be the exception where you should have to tag them at a price not yet supported in the market. No one would hesitate to spend 1200 on the hands down best QB in the league, 2000 for the hands down best RB, 1800 for the best WR, why should a Gates owner have to take a risk at tagging him at a price not yet paid in the Frenzy by anyone other than myself in the history of the league (as far as I know)?

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Definitely agreed WRs need to go up, but I definitely disagree that QBs and TEs should have the same scale just because we both start 12. By that logic, Ks and Defense should be on the same scale.

As far as TEs being undervalued, I have always made that argument. I do think the salaries will be coming up. Witten and Schockey are near or at the end of their rookie contracts. I think Gates' cheap contract is up as well. However, until we see these go up, and to what point they go, I hesitate to adjust. We know WRs are a problem, so we reactionarily adjust them. Until TEs become a problem, I don't think we need to adjust.

I remember the Swords and I have a brief conversation on the theory behind RFA tender levels, and the relationship to an overvalued and undervalued position. Do you set the RFA tender level at the "real" value (say determined by VBD) or at the market level?

Right now, with each position (assuming an upward adjustments with WRs), there are only a handful of players that have salaries above the 1st round tender level, yet those salaries are significantly above that level. If there were free market forces for all tight ends, I would think maybe 5 tops go above our current 750 top level, and the rest falling quickly below that level, yet there is only 1 above that level currently.

Look at RBs. Do we think we have that level correct? There are only 4 RBs over the top tender level currently, but the following players are on their rookie contract and I would think would make more than the 2000 top level: Portis, Larry Johnson, McGahee, KJones (well, maybe not anymore), Julius Jones, Stephen Jackson, Cadillac. If you think there is not enough money for all these guys to take big salaries, I simply point to Tony Fisher's 1050 cb salary. There is plenty of free money in the league.

Bottom line, TEs aren't a problem yet, and I hesitate to tick them up until it is. The best tight ends are deserving of 1st round compensation, but I don't think tight ends should be the exception where you should have to tag them at a price not yet supported in the market. No one would hesitate to spend 1200 on the hands down best QB in the league, 2000 for the hands down best RB, 1800 for the best WR, why should a Gates owner have to take a risk at tagging him at a price not yet paid in the Frenzy by anyone other than myself in the history of the league (as far as I know)?

Fair enough.. I retract. Use your barometer of 3-4 players above the tenders (where possible)., and we can re-address positions in the future (like we are with the WR's) if needed.

[Flaxwless]

Just wondering... if you're talking about changing the bonus based on defition of starter, doesnt it make more sense to do it in multiple sof 12?

Top 12 QBs
Top 24 RBs
Top 36 WRs
Top 12 TEs

Seems more logical to me than just sticking to multiples of 10.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Just wondering... if you're talking about changing the bonus based on defition of starter, doesnt it make more sense to do it in multiple sof 12?

Top 12 QBs
Top 24 RBs
Top 36 WRs
Top 12 TEs

Seems more logical to me than just sticking to multiples of 10.

Only for the simple reason that doing what you propose involves restructuring every position, instead of just bringing two of the four in line with the other two. I have no problem doing that, but my "starter" reference was more for comparative purposes. It just seemed silly to give a bonus for a benchriding QB when a starting receiver went without. Again though, I have no problem reworking the whole thing. Until the rookie draft talk heats up, I'm looking for something to tinker with.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

This looks good to me.

[Flaxwless]

I could live with the QB, RB, and TE bonus as those are just 2 or 4 off from the multiples of 12.

However I'd like to see the WRs expanded to 30 or 36 as for the most part we are basing the other positions on starters and WRs should be no different. 12 teams start 3 WRs. As we can also see the market for WRs was pretty active last year for the few WRs that were on the market and fielding decent WRs seemed tougher.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

I could live with the QB, RB, and TE bonus as those are just 2 or 4 off from the multiples of 12.

However I'd like to see the WRs expanded to 30 or 36 as for the most part we are basing the other positions on starters and WRs should be no different. 12 teams start 3 WRs. As we can also see the market for WRs was pretty active last year for the few WRs that were on the market and fielding decent WRs seemed tougher.

:GoodPost

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

:GoodPost

If we change WRs to 36 (which I am totally fine with), then the other positions should be at 12 and 24. With the bonuses at the top 10, 20, 30 and 10 respectiveley, the top 83% of starters at each position were eligible for bonuses (10 of 12 is the same ratio as 30 to 36). If we are going to the full top 36 for WRs, we might as well make it universal. I re-work all the scales for 12-24-36-12 and we can see if we like that.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

If we change WRs to 36 (which I am totally fine with), then the other positions should be at 12 and 24. With the bonuses at the top 10, 20, 30 and 10 respectiveley, the top 83% of starters at each position were eligible for bonuses (10 of 12 is the same ratio as 30 to 36). If we are going to the full top 36 for WRs, we might as well make it universal. I re-work all the scales for 12-24-36-12 and we can see if we like that.

I'm cool with 10 20 30 10 or 12 24 36 12

either works for me, though the bonus scale for QB's and TE's should drop quickly IMO

[Flaxwless]

Im with preds... 10-20-30-12 or 12-24-36-12 works for me.

I just thought it didn't make sense for WRs to be the same number as RBs when every team starts 2 vs 3.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

How are we looking as we head down the stretch this year?

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

How are we looking as we head down the stretch this year?

I should probably start a new thread for this, but for now:
If the season ended today, here's how the bonuses would come down (this is before tonights game as well which does affect a few players):

QB Rank Team Bonus

Philip Rivers 9th Nittany Dodgers 75

Rex Grossman 11th Amish Rake Fighters 56

Eli Manning 12th Parkwood Predators 75

Charlie Frye 14th Soap Box Derby Cars n/a

Ben Roethlisberger 15th Nittany Dodgers n/a

Alex Smith 19th Black Watch R.H. n/a

JP Losman 22nd Philly Freedom n/a

Vince Young 23rd Wonder Mutts n/a

Matt Leinart 27th Parkwood Predators n/a

RB

Larry Johnson 2nd Urza's Ragers 450

Steven Jackson 3rd Jersey Toxic Waste 450

Frank Gore 5th Parkwood Predators 450

Joseph Addai 10th Black Watch R.H. 300

Kevin Jones 11th Amish Rake Fighters 250

Ronnie Brown 13th Brain Dead S.C. 250

Julius Jones 19th Nittany Dodgers 200

Maurice Jones-Drew 20th Parkwood Predators 200

Marion Barber 21st Nittany Dodgers 150

Laurence Maroney 23rd Soap Box Derby Cars 150

Carnell Williams 26th Nittany Dodgers

Willis McGahee 27th Amish Rake Fighters

Deshaun Foster 28th Urza's Ragers

Reggie Bush 29th Philly Freedom

Tatum Bell 33rd Nittany Dodgers

Waly Lundy 35th Wonder Mutts

Mike Bell 36th Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Brandon Jacobs 37th Brain Dead S.C.

Leon Washington 39th Bay Area BSI

WR

Andre Johnson 3rd Soap Box Derby Cars 450

Roy Williams 8th Urza's Ragers 350

Lee Evans 14th Philly Freedom 300

Reggie Brown 22nd Soap Box Derby Cars 200

Braylon Edwards 28th Philly Freedom 150

Mark Clayton 29th Parkwood Predators 150

Bernard Berrian 32nd Soap Box Derby Cars 50

Devery Henderson 33rd Philly Freedom 75

Larry Fitzgerald 34th Wonder Mutts 100

Antonio Bryant 37th Wonder Mutts

Donte Stallworth 40th Brain Dead SC

Greg Jennings 41st Philly Freedom

TE

Kellen Winslow 1st Bay Area BSI 225

Dallas Clark 14th Soap Box Derby Cars

Heath Miller 15th Parkwood Predators



This is not complete, and I haven't looked to see who's contract are up at the end of the year, or who may have reached their max contract yet.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Thanks!!

BTW, is LJ Smith outside of the Top 10? I know his numbers haver fallen off but I think he is still under his rookie deal. Also, it looks like my WR's are starting to earn some bonuses.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Thanks!!

BTW, is LJ Smith outside of the Top 10? I know his numbers haver fallen off but I think he is still under his rookie deal. Also, it looks like my WR's are starting to earn some bonuses.

Yep, missed him. He is still #9, and as a 2nd rounder would be in line for a 38cb raise at the moment. That would jump up to 75 if he finishes between 5th and 8th, FTR.

[Urza's Ragers]

Dang, another 450 jump for LJ *sign*

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Urza's Ragers

Dang, another 450 jump for LJ *sign*

I'm sure it's just killing you!