Rookie Draft or Not

[The Immortal Ramirez]

I am truly getting tired of this. I think that's why some people are not casting votes or coming to the site as much.

I understand you 'going down swinging' but you are throwing out some strong language and challenging some people's integrity, Mike. It's not fun.

You're only complaint is fairness - which can be called into question about an auction as well - because some teams plan on youth factor for future. Draft cannot be set 100% fair because we have no historical data. Neither way is "fair" And, who defines fair? Is 'fair' where you get the best of everything to win every year without question? Not a lot of fun for everyone. I would prefer taking last pick (which I had previously offered) to shut people up and to make a challenge of it.

So, here's the poll. Should the Rookies be separate (by draft, etc) or put in with the vets (during the auction)?

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Separate - Draft or what-not

I am sure you are all shocked to see how I voted on this one!

[Preds]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

I am truly getting tired of this. I think that's why some people are not casting votes or coming to the site as much.

I understand you 'going down swinging' but you are throwing out some strong language and challenging some people's integrity, Mike. It's not fun.

You're only complaint is fairness - which can be called into question about an auction as well - because some teams plan on youth factor for future. Draft cannot be set 100% fair because we have no historical data. Neither way is "fair" And, who defines fair? Is 'fair' where you get the best of everything to win every year without question? Not a lot of fun for everyone. I would prefer taking last pick (which I had previously offered) to shut people up and to make a challenge of it.

So, here's the poll. Should the Rookies be separate (by draft, etc) or put in with the vets (during the auction)?

Rami, You're taking things too seriously and/or personal. Cheer up.

FYI, we already held this vote... it was 7-5 against or 5-7 against (depending on how you view the votes of the 2 liberal lovin flip floppers) ;)

[Philadelphia Freedom]

FYI, we already held this vote... it was 7-5 against or 5-7 against (depending on how you view the votes of the 2 liberal lovin flip floppers)

For what it's worth my offer to keepers still stands if he stays on the side of what is good and right and all that!!

[Burt the Butcher]

This is really getting absurd....

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by paulsonpatch

This is really getting absurd....

Definitely past tense on that. This had gotten absurd a few hundred posts ago I believe. Not that I didn't have anything to do with the absurdity of course.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

Originally Posted by Preds

Rami, You're taking things too seriously and/or personal. Cheer up.

FYI, we already held this vote... it was 7-5 against or 5-7 against (depending on how you view the votes of the 2 liberal lovin flip floppers) ;)

Not taking it either...splitting headache today and reading all this isn't helping .
I guess the leagues I previously played in, there wasn't as much banter. I just want to play!:helmet

[The Immortal Ramirez]

Put this poll in because of the 'Flip-Flopper-Gate" we had in the previous poll. Just trying to put this issue to rest one way or the other, so we can get to the next point of disagreement:Banghead

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Since we are close but not yet there someone (who shall remain nameless) suggested that I try and state my case for the rookie draft (since I seem to be a major proponent). I think that those of us in favor have done that but here is an effort to put it all together.

1. We are starting a league and everyone is on relatively equal footing. Having a rookie draft this year gives everyone the same chance to start to build for the future with guys that should not cost too much. Unless of course you pick a star and they qualify for bonuses!
2. A rookie draft is fun!!! No matter where you have your first pick or your last pick, rookie drafts are one of the best parts of FF in my mind.
3. No matter where your picks fall we are starting from scratch so everyone should be able to get valuable players. Whether they are active this year or down the line everyone should be able to come up with a couple of high profile players and some other prospects as well. In fact, since it seems like the only players we will not be drafting are OL we could all gets guys that were first day picks without too much trouble.
4. While luck plays a part in FF it is not limited to how the draft order shakes out. No matter where you pick you can hit or miss with a player. I traded up for Charles Rogers and passed on McGahee and we all know how that turned out. However, at the time (and until the second collarbone break) I was happy with the choice I made.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

Put this poll in because of the 'Flip-Flopper-Gate" we had in the previous poll. Just trying to put this issue to rest one way or the other, so we can get to the next point of disagreement:Banghead

What is this Flip-Flopper-Gate you are talking about

*cough*new avatar*cough*

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Since we are close but not yet there someone (who shall remain nameless) suggested that I try and state my case for the rookie draft (since I seem to be a major proponent). I think that those of us in favor have done that but here is an effort to put it all together.

1. We are starting a league and everyone is on relatively equal footing. Having a rookie draft this year gives everyone the same chance to start to build for the future with guys that should not cost too much. Unless of course you pick a star and they qualify for bonuses!
2. A rookie draft is fun!!! No matter where you have your first pick or your last pick, rookie drafts are one of the best parts of FF in my mind.
3. No matter where your picks fall we are starting from scratch so everyone should be able to get valuable players. Whether they are active this year or down the line everyone should be able to come up with a couple of high profile players and some other prospects as well. In fact, since it seems like the only players we will not be drafting are OL we could all gets guys that were first day picks without too much trouble.
4. While luck plays a part in FF it is not limited to how the draft order shakes out. No matter where you pick you can hit or miss with a player. I traded up for Charles Rogers and passed on McGahee and we all know how that turned out. However, at the time (and until the second collarbone break) I was happy with the choice I made.

umm whatever, I'm not gonna spew drivel, you all know I'm not in favor...

FYI I do not consider a random assignment of picks for a rookie draft in any way fair, but I'll move on

though, maybe I'll get some nice rooks and kick your butts even worse, if we wait till next year to draft rooks you all know I'll be drafting LATE, so I'll use this as a tool to further dominate if that's the way it's going to be! ;)

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

What is this Flip-Flopper-Gate you are talking about

*cough*new avatar*cough*

love it, but a John Kerry avatar would just take it to the NEXT level ;)

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

love it, but a John Kerry avatar would just take it to the NEXT level ;)

I just figured it out. You're a closet John Kerry lover. That is the only rational explanation to your fascination with him.

[randilover]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

1. We are starting a league and everyone is on relatively equal footing. Having a rookie draft this year gives everyone the same chance to start to build for the future with guys that should not cost too much. Unless of course you pick a star and they qualify for bonuses!

I'd like to also point out, if you get a rookie that will succeed right away (which might be harder than we think this year) won't you be paying for it anyway. The appeal to me of a cap league is it levels the playing field dramatically more than straight FF. I'd rather grap a veteran RB and let a guy develop for a few years.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

2. A rookie draft is fun!!! No matter where you have your first pick or your last pick, rookie drafts are one of the best parts of FF in my mind.

Agreed. The part of FF that is the most fun is the draft, and with having a dynasty league, the rookie draft is the only one you get.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

3. No matter where your picks fall we are starting from scratch so everyone should be able to get valuable players. Whether they are active this year or down the line everyone should be able to come up with a couple of high profile players and some other prospects as well. In fact, since it seems like the only players we will not be drafting are OL we could all gets guys that were first day picks without too much trouble.

Not only the first day, the first round. Don't forget IDP's. There's a few LB's, DE's, and CB's that will be making an IMMEDIATE impact this year.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

4. While luck plays a part in FF it is not limited to how the draft order shakes out. No matter where you pick you can hit or miss with a player. I traded up for Charles Rogers and passed on McGahee and we all know how that turned out. However, at the time (and until the second collarbone break) I was happy with the choice I made.

Should I start the "philosophical" discussion of how there is no such thing as luck? What kind of sharks are we if we bicker over picks 1-10 (as 2 folks have nominated them selves for the least desirable slots). By having a generator pick the slot you pick your slot in, "luck" (cursed word) is far removed.

Originally Posted by Preds

love it, but a John Kerry avatar would just take it to the NEXT level ;)

just for you preds

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle

just for you preds

Does he (Kerry) have the most oval shaped head you've ever seen or what!

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

Does he (Kerry) have the most oval shaped head you've ever seen or what!

Sally comes close....

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

Does he (Kerry) have the most oval shaped head you've ever seen or what!

What?

[The Immortal Ramirez]

Originally Posted by Preds

Does he (Kerry) have the most oval shaped head you've ever seen or what!

Picture's kinda fuzzy. sure that's not Jay Leno?

[The Immortal Ramirez]

BTW, Randilover, nice additions.

[randilover]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

BTW, Randilover, nice additions.

Thanks. I like seeing the draft ahead 5-1 in the other poll.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

VICTORY!! No more re-votes! No we just need to settle on the type of order and the random pick generation.

[Liquid Swords]

damnabbit

[Nittany Dodgers]

We gotta leave the polls open for the flip floppers to decide for sure. Maybe we should set up a poll and ask if people want to accept this poll as final, or take another as the real final poll.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

someone hurt Dodgers...I can't think on his comments anymore....