2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards

Nittany Dodgers · January 4th, 2005, 03:20 PM

One last post, here' my beef with our scoring rules; why don't we have negative points for negative yards? IE, if a WR runs a reverse for negative yards, and that's his only carry, why doesn't he lose those points for yardage lost? Is it a scoring limitation, or is their some sort of philsophical justification for this?

Preds · January 4th, 2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

One last post, here' my beef with our scoring rules; why don't we have negative points for negative yards? IE, if a WR runs a reverse for negative yards, and that's his only carry, why doesn't he lose those points for yardage lost? Is it a scoring limitation, or is their some sort of philsophical justification for this?

I'm fairly certain past versions of FFLM could not handle negative yardage, but I think the current one can (though I've never tested it). You won't get much of a fight from me on this seeing as our scoring is set to reward/penalize everywhere else!

Philadelphia Freedom · January 4th, 2005, 03:33 PM

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One last post, here' my beef with our scoring rules; why don't we have negative points for negative yards? IE, if a WR runs a reverse for negative yards, and that's his only carry, why doesn't he lose those points for yardage lost? Is it a scoring limitation, or is their some sort of philsophical justification for this?

I am fine with this as well.

Nittany Dodgers · January 4th, 2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Preds

I'm fairly certain past versions of FFLM could not handle negative yardage, but I think the current one can (though I've never tested it). You won't get much of a fight from me on this seeing as our scoring is set to reward/penalize everywhere else!

Glad to hear. I thought this was a dramatic inconsistency, but just about every league other than my local league does not deduct for negative yards in these situations, so I was sure if there was some reason for it.

Liquid Swords · February 28th, 2005, 01:05 PM

I'm pretty sure FFLM handles negative yardage. I would like to see negative yardage accounted for too.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · February 28th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Fundamentally, it's accounted for in the RB/WR stats... unless they end up with a total negative distance. The point Brian made in the email about a WR reverse for a loss is a good one, though. I'm in favor of this.

Nittany Dodgers · February 28th, 2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Fundamentally, it's accounted for in the RB/WR stats... unless they end up with a total negative distance. The point Brian made in the email about a WR reverse for a loss is a good one, though. I'm in favor of this.

That's exactly much my point. If an RB has 20 carries, and 19 of them are possitive, he losses the points for the negative carry by having it deducted from his net total at the end. But if he has only one carry, and it is negative, then it's not accounted for. It's a minor inconsistency, but easily fixed.

Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers · March 1st, 2005, 12:21 PM

I'm in agreement here.

Philadelphia Freedom · March 1st, 2005, 03:01 PM

Still fine by me.

Flaxwless · March 1st, 2005, 09:40 PM

I dont think we need it. Like Jim pointed out its reflected in teh final yardage numbers.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · March 2nd, 2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

Like Jim pointed out its reflected in teh final yardage numbers.

Actually, I was pointing out that the only place it's NOT covered is on the end-around runs (reverses), where that might be the ONLY rushing attempt a player makes for the day... SO... I'm in favor of tweaking this rule to make everyone equal.

Mutts · March 2nd, 2005, 11:09 AM

I don't like the idea, but I think its largely insignificant so I won't resist.

Ypsilanti Undead · March 3rd, 2005, 05:36 PM

I'm in favor of negative points for negative yards (and I think this will hurt pocket-passing QBs more than WRs), but I'm not in favor of suggesting an end-around and a reverse are the same thing!

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · March 3rd, 2005, 05:58 PM

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I'm not in favor of suggesting an end-around and a reverse are the same thing!

(how to get out of this... hmmm...) Well, when the SPLIT-END (nope)... um, the WR who's out on the END, runs around the other end (ugh)... heck, let's just stick to reverses! lol

Urza's Ragers · March 3rd, 2005, 08:26 PM

I have no problem either way, I don't see a big deal in it.

January 4th, 2005, 03:20 PM	#1
Nittany Dodgers Feeding Frenzy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Maplewood, MN Posts: 5,204	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion One last post, here' my beef with our scoring rules; why don't we have negative points for negative yards? IE, if a WR runs a reverse for negative yards, and that's his only carry, why doesn't he lose those points for yardage lost? Is it a scoring limitation, or is their some sort of philsophical justification for this?

February 28th, 2005, 01:05 PM	#5
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I'm pretty sure FFLM handles negative yardage. I would like to see negative yardage accounted for too. __________________ 5 time Frenzy Champion - 2024, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2016 - Liquid Swords 5 time SAC'D Champion - 2024, co-2022, 2021, 2019, 2010 - Disciples of the 36 Chambers

February 28th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#6
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards Fundamentally, it's accounted for in the RB/WR stats... unless they end up with a total negative distance. The point Brian made in the email about a WR reverse for a loss is a good one, though. I'm in favor of this.

March 1st, 2005, 12:21 PM	#8
Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 946	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I'm in agreement here.

March 1st, 2005, 03:01 PM	#9
Philadelphia Freedom Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 6,270	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards Still fine by me.

March 1st, 2005, 09:40 PM	#10
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I dont think we need it. Like Jim pointed out its reflected in teh final yardage numbers. __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

March 2nd, 2005, 11:09 AM	#12
Mutts General Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bloomington, Indiana Posts: 3,026	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I don't like the idea, but I think its largely insignificant so I won't resist.

March 3rd, 2005, 05:36 PM	#13
Ypsilanti Undead Feeding Frenzy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ypsilanti, MI Posts: 840	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I'm in favor of negative points for negative yards (and I think this will hurt pocket-passing QBs more than WRs), but I'm not in favor of suggesting an end-around and a reverse are the same thing!

March 3rd, 2005, 08:26 PM	#15
Urza's Ragers Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,431	Re: 2005 Rules Discussion - Negative Points for Negative Yards I have no problem either way, I don't see a big deal in it.

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