2024 Playoff Seeding and Draft Seedings

[Burt the Butcher]

Too many teams too close to call right now. Not even going to try until after this weekends games.

If someone else wants to give it a stab, go for it.

I believe 36 Chambers and Opihi are only teams to clinch a playoff spot so far. 5 other teams seem to have a shot at the 4 other spots.

at least 4 teams have a shot at pick 1.1 (only checked my team against Gunslingers, and they have the tiebreaker by losing to me)

So should be interesting....

[Liquid Swords]

Geeks, Gunslingers, Cajuns, Clowns, and Moonshiners have no viable path to making the playoffs.

Zombies clinch Pat Tillman division and #2 seed with a win.
Zombies can also clinch division with Wiener Dogs loss.
If Zombies lose, Weiner Dogs lose, and Tommyknockers win, Zombies get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Tommyknockers - Reggie White champ).
If Zombies lose, Weiner Dogs lose, and Tommyknockers lose, Zombies get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Scorpions - Reggie White champ).
If Zombies lose and Wiener Dogs win, Zombies will likely be seeded #6 based on all-play record.

Wiener Dogs clinch Pat Tillman division with a win and a Zombies loss due to All-Play record tie-breaker (overall, H2H, and division are ties).
If Weiner Dogs win, Zombies lose, and Tommyknockers lose, Weiner Dogs get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Scorpions - Reggie White winner).
If Weiner Dogs win, Zombies lose, and Tommyknockers win, Weiner Dogs get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Tommyknockers - Reggie White winner).
If Zombies win or Weiner Dogs lose, Weiner Dogs will likely be seeded #4 based on strong all-play record.

36 Chambers already clinched the Derrick Thomas division (2-0 vs Opihi) and the #1 overall seed.

Opihi clinched a wild card spot.
Wild card seeding is undetermined but likely #4 or #5 based on all-play record.
A poor week 14 performance could cause them to slip to the #6 seed.

Tommyknockers clinch Reggie White division with a win or a Scorpions loss.
If Tommyknockers win, Zombies lose, and Wiener Dogs win, Tommyknockers get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Wiener Dogs - Pat Tillman winner).
If Tommyknockers win and Zombies win, Tommyknockers get the #3 seed.
If Tommyknockers lose and Scorpions win, Tommyknockers may be at risk of missing the playoffs due to losing all-play record.

Scorpions clinch Reggie White division with a win and Tommyknockers loss.
If Scorpions win, Tommyknockers lose, and Wiener Dogs lose, Scorpions get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Zombies - Pat Tillman winner).
If Scorpions win, Tommyknockers lose, and Wiener Dogs win, Scorpions get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Wiener Dogs - Pat Tillman winner).
If Scorpions win and Tommyknockers win, Scorpions have good chance of wild card spot.
If Scorpions lose, they need a good performance to have a chance at a wild card spot.

Floyds can snag a wild card with a strong performance because of their current all-play record.

That's my best assessment anyway. It's sure to be a wild week 14.

[Liquid Swords]

Also don't hold me to any of the above, especially the wild card teams and seedings. I was bored last night so I thought I'd take a stab at it.

[wchmego]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Geeks, Gunslingers, Cajuns, Clowns, and Moonshiners have no viable path to making the playoffs.

Zombies clinch Pat Tillman division and #2 seed with a win.
Zombies can also clinch division with Wiener Dogs loss.
If Zombies lose, Weiner Dogs lose, and Tommyknockers win, Zombies get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Tommyknockers - Reggie White champ).
If Zombies lose, Weiner Dogs lose, and Tommyknockers lose, Zombies get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Scorpions - Reggie White champ).
If Zombies lose and Wiener Dogs win, Zombies will likely be seeded #6 based on all-play record.

Wiener Dogs clinch Pat Tillman division with a win and a Zombies loss due to All-Play record tie-breaker (overall, H2H, and division are ties).
If Weiner Dogs win, Zombies lose, and Tommyknockers lose, Weiner Dogs get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Scorpions - Reggie White winner).
If Weiner Dogs win, Zombies lose, and Tommyknockers win, Weiner Dogs get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Tommyknockers - Reggie White winner).
If Zombies win or Weiner Dogs lose, Weiner Dogs will likely be seeded #4 based on strong all-play record.

36 Chambers already clinched the Derrick Thomas division (2-0 vs Opihi) and the #1 overall seed.

Opihi clinched a wild card spot.
Wild card seeding is undetermined but likely #4 or #5 based on all-play record.
A poor week 14 performance could cause them to slip to the #6 seed.

Tommyknockers clinch Reggie White division with a win or a Scorpions loss.
If Tommyknockers win, Zombies lose, and Wiener Dogs win, Tommyknockers get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Wiener Dogs - Pat Tillman winner).
If Tommyknockers win and Zombies win, Tommyknockers get the #3 seed.
If Tommyknockers lose and Scorpions win, Tommyknockers may be at risk of missing the playoffs due to losing all-play record.

Scorpions clinch Reggie White division with a win and Tommyknockers loss.
If Scorpions win, Tommyknockers lose, and Wiener Dogs lose, Scorpions get the #2 seed (1-0 vs Zombies - Pat Tillman winner).
If Scorpions win, Tommyknockers lose, and Wiener Dogs win, Scorpions get the #3 seed (0-1 vs Wiener Dogs - Pat Tillman winner).
If Scorpions win and Tommyknockers win, Scorpions have good chance of wild card spot.
If Scorpions lose, they need a good performance to have a chance at a wild card spot.

Floyds can snag a wild card with a strong performance because of their current all-play record.

That's my best assessment anyway. It's sure to be a wild week 14.

great info Pat!

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Floyds can snag a wild card with a strong performance because of their current all-play record.

I think I also have a shot at top 5 pick with a crappy performance - lol...

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

I'm looking at sneaking into the playoffs with 3 wins by < 1 point.

[Miners]

Originally Posted by wchmego

great info Pat!

A bad week to have my RB1, RB2, and LB1 on bye weeks. I really dislike late bye weeks.

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Miners

A bad week to have my RB1, RB2, and LB1 on bye weeks. I really dislike late bye weeks.

Same, but luckily I'm locked into a bye. I'm without my RB2, WR2, WR3, DL1, DL2, LB1, DB1 this week.

[Liquid Swords]

So it looks like everything is settled regardless of MNF game. 36 Chambers and Opihi records are TBD but that doesn't impact the results.

#1 - 36 Chambers (11-3) - Derrick Thomas division champ
#2 - K-9 Zombies (9-5) - Pat Tillman division champ
#3 - Tommyknockers (7-7) - Reggie White division champ
#4 - Wiener Dogs (7-7) - Record based wild card, #1 wild card based on all play
#5 - Opihi (10-4) - Record based wild card, #2 wild card based on all play
#6 - Floyds (5-9) - All play based wild card, #3 wild card based on all play

The second record based wild card came down to three 7-7 teams - Wiener Dogs, Cajuns, and Scorpions. They all had a 1-1 H2H record resulting in all play tie breaker going to Wiener Dogs.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

So it looks like everything is settled regardless of MNF game. 36 Chambers and Opihi records are TBD but that doesn't impact the results.

#6 - Floyds (5-9) - All play based wild card, #3 wild card based on all play

So tied for worst record in the league, and making the playoffs!! SWEET!! Sorry Rick - you coulda had top 3 pick

[Burt the Butcher]

OK, seeding has been set on MFL - please let me know if something is off

Good luck everyone

[Burt the Butcher]

This is what I have for Rookie Draft:

1) Geeks 5-9 (0-3 H2H)
2) Moonshiners 5-9 (1-1 H2H)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (3-0 H2H)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

[Liquid Swords]

I updated Gunslingers H2H from 0-3 to 3-0. Likely just a typo.

[Liquid Swords]

So...the draft seedings are based on this thread which I believe Burt went off of: http://predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21310

It states: The 6 non-playoff teams will be ranked worst-to-first using the Wild Card tiebreaker.

However, our Wild Card tiebreaker changed with this revision: http://predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34407

With that wouldn't our rookie draft seedings change to the latest Wild Card tiebreaker (2022) instead of the older one (2012)? The 2022 wild card tiebreaker skips H2H in the event 2 teams are in the same division (Geeks and Gunslingers).

If so, then seeding would be as follows:
1) Moonshiners 5-9 (39-114 all play)
2) Geeks 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.70 overall points scored)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.90 overall points scored)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

So...the draft seedings are based on this thread which I believe Burt went off of: http://predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21310

It states: The 6 non-playoff teams will be ranked worst-to-first using the Wild Card tiebreaker.

However, our Wild Card tiebreaker changed with this revision: http://predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34407

With that wouldn't our rookie draft seedings change to the latest Wild Card tiebreaker (2022) instead of the older one (2012)? The 2022 wild card tiebreaker skips H2H in the event 2 teams are in the same division (Geeks and Gunslingers).

If so, then seeding would be as follows:
1) Moonshiners 5-9 (39-114 all play)
2) Geeks 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.70 overall points scored)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.90 overall points scored)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

Well, I was thinking same, but then Mike also proposed redoing the Rookie Pick seeding with a similar change, but it was voted down multiple times, so I went with what was in place prior.
Does the rules committee disagree? Who is still in the Rules committee ;-) Rules list Pat, Matt and Bobby - did we assign someone to replace Bobby? I would vote for David(Zombies), since he has agreed to update the Rule book at some point.

[Liquid Swords]

You see where i lean since the 2022 revision is the most recent wild card tiebreaker.

Or we could have some fun with this instance and pit Geeks vs Moonshiners. Geeks average 157.6 pts per game and Moonshiners average 150.1 pts per game. We could spot Moonshiners 7.5 pts and have them battle it out in week 15 for the #1 draft pick.

Now that I say this, I think the Frenzy playoff seeding would be better if we handicapped the games based on avg pts per game. Hmmm...

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

You see where i lean since the 2022 revision is the most recent wild card tiebreaker.

Or we could have some fun with this instance and pit Geeks vs Moonshiners. Geeks average 157.6 pts per game and Moonshiners average 150.1 pts per game. We could spot Moonshiners 7.5 pts and have them battle it out in week 15 for the #1 draft pick.

Now that I say this, I think the Frenzy playoff seeding would be better if we handicapped the games based on avg pts per game. Hmmm...

Sounds like a plan ;-) Dave is still pissed at me for 'throwing' our game last week

[Philadelphia Freedom]

I think the H2H would make the most sense unless there are ties there and then we would go to the next tiebreaker. So it would be:

1) Geeks 5-9 (0-3 H2H)
2) Moonshiners 5-9 (1-1 H2H)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (3-0 H2H)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

I think the H2H would make the most sense unless there are ties there and then we would go to the next tiebreaker. So it would be:

1) Geeks 5-9 (0-3 H2H)
2) Moonshiners 5-9 (1-1 H2H)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (3-0 H2H)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

Where I have issue with H2H is when there are uneven number of games to compare. This was addressed in the most recent wild card tie breakers in which H2H is skipped and all play record is then used. That was my question above. Initial rule says to use wild card tie breaker rule, which imo would the be most recently defined on in 2022, not the one in 2012.

David, thoughts? Seems like you've been nominated to fill the rules committee vacancy

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Where I have issue with H2H is when there are uneven number of games to compare. This was addressed in the most recent wild card tie breakers in which H2H is skipped and all play record is then used. That was my question above. Initial rule says to use wild card tie breaker rule, which imo would the be most recently defined on in 2022, not the one in 2012.

David, thoughts? Seems like you've been nominated to fill the rules committee vacancy

Oh, I missed that point completely, that the old rule says to use Wild Card tiebreaker - I would agree with your list then.
ok, unless David has issue with it (he said he will comment after work), then we go with what you listed Patrick.

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

If so, then seeding would be as follows:
1) Moonshiners 5-9 (39-114 all play)
2) Geeks 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.70 overall points scored)
3) Gunslingers 5-9 (50-104 all play, 2206.90 overall points scored)
4) Clowns 6-8
5) Cajuns 7-7 (0-1 H2H)
6) Scorpions 7-7 (1-0 H2H)

I agree with Patrick regarding the draft order
The rules do not state directly how the draft order is determined, but I believe the league has always followed the wild card seeding rules, so precedence has been set.

"The rookie draft will be 6 rounds in a NON-SERPENTINE fashion based on the prior years ranking for each team, with the 6 teams failing to make the playoffs picking from 1-6 and the 6 playoff qualifiers picking 7-12 based on their finish."

With the 2022 seeding order change, the Moonshiners win the #1 pick.

I will clarify this in the rules.

[Shiners]

Works for me, thanks guys. Not happy with the year but happy to take the first pick and have a bounce back next year.

[Burt the Butcher]

Good beatdown Pat!! 2nd best score of the week, but had to play the monster...oh well...good luck to Chambers and Zombies!!

[Burt the Butcher]

And Merry Christmas to you ALL!!!

[A Zombie Pirate I Be]

Merry Christmas Burt and ALL....

[Burt the Butcher]

So here is the rookie draft order for 2025:

1) Moonshiners
2) Geeks
3) Gunslingers
4) Clowns
5) Cajuns
6) Scorpions
7) WchMeGo Wiener Dogs
8) Colorado Tommyknockers
9) Falcon Floyds
10) Royal Hawaiian Opihi
11) K-9 Zombies
12) Disciples of the 36 Chambers

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Great season, everyone! Congrats to Pat... who just continues to dominate.