SAC'D Vet Auction Commentary

[Flaxwless]

RBs?

ANyone wants some?

[Preds]

QB's, who needs a QB?

Hall of Famer Brett Favre has been marked DOWN... get a HOFer for a late round draft pick!

QB's... QB's... come get your QB's!

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

QB's, who needs a QB?

Hall of Famer Brett Favre has been marked DOWN... get a HOFer for a late round draft pick!

QB's... QB's... come get your QB's!

Maybe you and Flaxwless can swap QB's for RB's?

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

RBs?

ANyone wants some?

I'm getting solicitations left and right for my surplus RBs. Aren't you? If not, that makes me feel better.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Maybe you and Flaxwless can swap QB's for RB's?

Heh, just to make it CLEAR... my QB post above was tounge in cheek.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

ok. are people using monopoly money?
IDP salaries finally dropped to reasonable level. What' with IOP's still being through the roof?

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

ok. are people using monopoly money?
IDP salaries finally dropped to reasonable level. What' with IOP's still being through the roof?

True, players are going for more than true market value I think, but let's also remember that the vast majority of players sold so far are in the upper tier of their respective positions. I don't think prices will really come down for another cycle or two.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

ahhh, when no one has any money...

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

ahhh, when no one has any money...

....and still have to sign 3 more players....:bling I'll stand by and wait to see who gets cut and pick up the scraps I guess...

[randilover]

Does Mutts know his Dunn nom didn't go? Seems he's logged on and off with no new IOP to bid on.

[Flaxwless]

Hey Randi... youve been getting my PMs?

[randilover]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Hey Randi... youve been getting my PMs?

Yes, sorry I haven't responded. Been quite busy. Will get back to you shortly.

[Flaxwless]

no problem. just get back ot me when you can.

[Preds]

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang

:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Bang head

:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Bang head

bricksbricksbricks bricks

F UCK it... I'm gonna disappear for a few days.

Have fun guys.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

Originally Posted by Preds

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang

:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Bang head

:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Banghead:Bang head

bricksbricksbricks bricks

F UCK it... I'm gonna disappear for a few days.

Have fun guys.

wow...what time frames are you looking at. That was the shortest "few days" I never saw.

Mike, seriously, take the weekend off. Don't think about this crud (or work crud)...play with the kids...something else.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

On the other side note...who's going to run out of money first!

IDP: DB's in low 200's, LB's now selling in 200's as well. DL I believe cracked the 100's.

WR's still going for upper 1000's - at least for 3rd tier RB's is starting to look normal. And aside from Preds taking every QB, it appears Kurt Warner sold for the lowest of 500s. Not bad.

Now, if we can do something about the runaway WR salaries...

[Preds]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez

wow...what time frames are you looking at. That was the shortest "few days" I never saw.

Mike, seriously, take the weekend off. Don't think about this crud (or work crud)...play with the kids...something else.

We Sith work within a different time dimension that the rest of the world... a day for us is only an hour or 2. ;)

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Mutts

Yeah, didn't think there was any rule against hoarding all summer and then dumping. I think that is partly the reason we are seeing owners with endless amounts of money to spend. Wasting 400 CBs (20% fee incurred to drop a player) in order to hold ransom a 2000 cb player for a few months at the start of a new league might be an effective strategy, it at least allows you to keep your league mates from being able to plan their team around that player.

Personally I don't believe you should be able to go beyond the point that you can field a legal team of at least 100 cb a player - most especially during a league initiating auction.

After talking with Jake earlier this week and then looking at the Bloodsuckers roster, I just noticed that he cannot fill the minimum on offense and defense with the minimum 100 cb bids. In my opinion this is illegal. Sure he may not be over the salary cap but when you factor in the league roster minimums, he is over the salary cap. I think this topic needs some further discussion. Thoughts????

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

After talking with Jake earlier this week and then looking at the Bloodsuckers roster, I just noticed that he cannot fill the minimum on offense and defense with the minimum 100 cb bids. In my opinion this is illegal. Sure he may not be over the salary cap but when you factor in the league roster minimums, he is over the salary cap. I think this topic needs some further discussion. Thoughts????

To my recollection, there is nowhere in the rules where in the off-season a team has to be at the roster minimums or that they must reserve cap space to fill a minimum roster.

I don't see where Frank, or at the moment Jack are violating any of the rules.

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Preds

To my recollection, there is nowhere in the rules where in the off-season a team has to be at the roster minimums or that they must reserve cap space to fill a minimum roster.

I don't see where Frank, or at the moment Jack are violating any of the rules.

:agree I don't think we need to handicapp someone for trying to make some moves in a roundabout way during the offseason. Not being able to go over the cap is sufficient I think. My 2cents

:burt out...

[Valencia]

Originally Posted by Preds

To my recollection, there is nowhere in the rules where in the off-season a team has to be at the roster minimums or that they must reserve cap space to fill a minimum roster.

I don't see where Frank, or at the moment Jack are violating any of the rules.

I had looked in the rules because of the situation I had put myself in yesterday. This is the only thing I could find. What I figured is that, I would have had 24 hours to drop somebody(taking the cap hit) to get myself back under the cap. Am I close in my assumption?

Rule #6
Once a player goes unbid upon for 48 hours he is considered SOLD to the high bidder. That player will immediatly count against the cap of the winning team. Remember, teams must always stay under the cap year round in SAC'd, if you exceed the cap, you have only 24 hours to get under.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Valencia

I had looked in the rules because of the situation I had put myself in yesterday. This is the only thing I could find. What I figured is that, I would have had 24 hours to drop somebody(taking the cap hit) to get myself back under the cap. Am I close in my assumption?

Rule #6
Once a player goes unbid upon for 48 hours he is considered SOLD to the high bidder. That player will immediatly count against the cap of the winning team. Remember, teams must always stay under the cap year round in SAC'd, if you exceed the cap, you have only 24 hours to get under.

yup, you have it right Brett.

[Liquid Swords]

Originally Posted by Preds

I don't see where Frank, or at the moment Jack are violating any of the rules.

Who's Jack?

I'm only talking about Frank's roster. In order to meet roster minimums (13 IOP, 8 IDP), Frank needs 7 more IOPs and 3 more IDPs. At 100 cb minimum bids, he would exceed his cap space by 160 cbs. I just don't think it's fair that you don't have to worry about roster minimums so it's actually advantageous to do what Frank did and hoard 4 upper-tier RBs until the last minute. This is one of the big reasons why player prices are so high. There needs to be some kind of regulation to keep teams in check.

Had I known this I would have definitely taken an approach like so many others and bid up many of these players like they have been; however, I was making sure that in no way would I exceed my cap space factoring in roster minimums. Too bad it took me this long to realize it as I feel I am now seriously disadvantaged in this league right now.

[Liquid Swords]

Remember, teams must always stay under the cap year round in SAC'd, if you exceed the cap, you have only 24 hours to get under.

Right but factor in roster minimums you must reach and Frank has been over the cap.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Who's Jack?

I'm only talking about Frank's roster. In order to meet roster minimums (13 IOP, 8 IDP), Frank needs 7 more IOPs and 3 more IDPs. At 100 cb minimum bids, he would exceed his cap space by 160 cbs. I just don't think it's fair that you don't have to worry about roster minimums so it's actually advantageous to do what Frank did and hoard 4 upper-tier RBs until the last minute. This is one of the big reasons why player prices are so high. There needs to be some kind of regulation to keep teams in check.

Had I known this I would have definitely taken an approach like so many others and bid up many of these players like they have been; however, I was making sure that in no way would I exceed my cap space factoring in roster minimums. Too bad it took me this long to realize it as I feel I am now seriously disadvantaged in this league right now.

Jack = Subzero = Keepers. If Jack wins the current bids he's high on, he'll be exceeding the cap by 245 with just 19 players. He'll have to make cuts or trades within 24 hours to get under.

As for it being advantagous, in what way? He still has to abide by the cap. By hoarding RB's, Frank missed out on bidding on players for nearly 2 weeks. Always being under the cap is enough of a deterrent. We have the entire off-season to build our roster, nowhere in the rules does it specify you must reserve cap space, nor should it IMO.

The regulation to keep teams in check is the cap. That you and Jake assumed you had to have space to meet the minimums is nobodies fault but your own. We've never forced teams to meet the minimums in the off-season in the Frenzy. Why would SAC'D be any different? By tieing up cap dollars, Frank inhibited his ability to acquire other players, that's penalty enough.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Remember, teams must always stay under the cap year round in SAC'd, if you exceed the cap, you have only 24 hours to get under.

Right but factor in roster minimums you must reach and Frank has been over the cap.

But in the off-season there are NO ROSTER MINIMUMS. They kick in August 16th when the In-Season period begins.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

Remember, teams must always stay under the cap year round in SAC'd, if you exceed the cap, you have only 24 hours to get under.

Right but factor in roster minimums you must reach and Frank has been over the cap.

Bottom line is that it is spelled out cut and dry that you only need to be in compliance with the cap in the offseason, and you must meet the roster minimums AND cap during the in season period. If we want to change that in the future, we can address it for next year (where I don't think it will be an issue, since most players will be under contract), but I don't think we can do anything to change things this year.

Basically, my opinion is, that if people don't bail him out and take these high priced players of his hands, then his advantage will be minimized when he starts taking cap hits for dropping 4 figure salaries.

[Liquid Swords]

i know it's not going to change just wish i'd realized this earlier. but the biggest problem this has caused are the over-inflated player prices.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

i know it's not going to change just wish i'd realized this earlier. but the biggest problem this has caused are the over-inflated player prices.

The market will adjust over time. Players will get cut, or 1 yr deals as teams realize they've overpaid. Next year will be a better barometer on market value than this year.

[The Immortal Ramirez]

yes, agreed with Preds. but, it doesn't make this year as good. It throws off strategies. I know I had things planned for this year and the future, but because prices went bonkers, my plan went out the window and had to resort to plan K.