Defense scoring question

emerald · May 2nd, 2012, 12:56 PM

While scouting the UFA defenses for a potential 2012 Burner Def I decided to review the scoring rules. It occured to me that if the Jets make good on their desire to go for more 2 point conversions and that counted towards Jet Def scoring they could be a good choice. Rules state QB, RB, WR or whoever is involved with score gets some points but NYJ Def/spec team doesn't so no extra incentive to go for Jets (though they do have a nice defense!).

I did see this in the defensive scoring and am confused:

The following TD scores will NOT count against a Defenses Points Against: Interception Returns, Fumble Recoveries, and Safeties
[ in section 13A, last line]

I assumed that the final score determined how many points a defense received for scoring bonus but this sounds like it is final score minus points scored by interception returns, fumble recoveries and safeties.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · May 2nd, 2012, 01:09 PM

I assumed it was the final score, too.
Anyone know the history behind this? It came before me.

Preds · May 2nd, 2012, 01:27 PM

For a defense to be scored against they actually have to be on the field.

Interception returns, fumble recoveries, and safeties are all plays that occur when the offense is on the field and it turns the other way at no fault of the defense, therefore these scores don't count against the defense in scoring.

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · May 2nd, 2012, 04:24 PM

Thanks, Mike. Makes sense.
Glad that the website knows how to correctly add up the proper scoring!

emerald · May 2nd, 2012, 04:26 PM

Hypothetical:

Jacksonville beats Cinncinnati 20-17 and I have Jack Def...
Cinncinnati scored TD on interception return for TD.

Points against says -
16-20 = 1
11-15 = 2
6-10 = 3

I get 2 since 17-6 = 11? Extra point counts against Def, right?
Otherwise I get 3 since 17-6-1 = 10.

Is this how we have been scoring it? These are very small amounts of points and probably wouldn't change much in terms of results.
I am just surprised!

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · May 2nd, 2012, 04:33 PM

extra points & 2-point conversions go against the defense...
TDs are six points...

So under your hypothetical scenario, you'd get 2 points for the 11 points scored against the Jax D.

emerald · May 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM

Got it. Thanks!

Preds · May 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM

Jim is correct.

FWIW, it's fairly typical in many leagues to score defenses this way, which is why MFL has a specific rule to exclude these types of scores from counting against the defense.

I suppose we could have pulled PAT's from the equation as well, since that's generally a Special Teams play, however, I believe the argument was made that the defense is generally on the field for the PAT to prevent potential 2 point conversions and thus we all agreed to count PAT & conversions against the D as well. It was over a decade ago, and we were somewhat limited by the scoring rules available to us when we developed the scoring, but I believe that is how it shook out.

Burt the Butcher · May 2nd, 2012, 06:00 PM

Man, ain't it great to have Mike back again!!

Royal Hawaiian Opihi · May 2nd, 2012, 09:22 PM

He is a wealth of knowledge.

emerald · May 2nd, 2012, 09:58 PM

He should have his own forum.

Preds · May 2nd, 2012, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emerald

he should have his own forum.

Rolling on the Floor Laughing My Ass Off

!

May 2nd, 2012, 12:56 PM	#1
emerald Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 5,045	Defense scoring question While scouting the UFA defenses for a potential 2012 Burner Def I decided to review the scoring rules. It occured to me that if the Jets make good on their desire to go for more 2 point conversions and that counted towards Jet Def scoring they could be a good choice. Rules state QB, RB, WR or whoever is involved with score gets some points but NYJ Def/spec team doesn't so no extra incentive to go for Jets (though they do have a nice defense!). I did see this in the defensive scoring and am confused: The following TD scores will NOT count against a Defenses Points Against: Interception Returns, Fumble Recoveries, and Safeties [ in section 13A, last line] I assumed that the final score determined how many points a defense received for scoring bonus but this sounds like it is final score minus points scored by interception returns, fumble recoveries and safeties. __________________ Every Fantasy Football League has 3 teams. If you look around and only see 2...

May 2nd, 2012, 01:09 PM	#2
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: Defense scoring question I assumed it was the final score, too. Anyone know the history behind this? It came before me.

May 2nd, 2012, 01:27 PM	#3
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: Defense scoring question For a defense to be scored against they actually have to be on the field. Interception returns, fumble recoveries, and safeties are all plays that occur when the offense is on the field and it turns the other way at no fault of the defense, therefore these scores don't count against the defense in scoring. __________________ *4x Frenzy Champions (2003, 2005, 2013, 2022) with 9 appearances in the Frenzy Bowl (4 in the past 5 seasons*) 2022 Co-Champions with WchMeGo Roosters Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

May 2nd, 2012, 04:24 PM	#4
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: Defense scoring question Thanks, Mike. Makes sense. Glad that the website knows how to correctly add up the proper scoring!

May 2nd, 2012, 04:26 PM	#5
emerald Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 5,045	Re: Defense scoring question Hypothetical: Jacksonville beats Cinncinnati 20-17 and I have Jack Def... Cinncinnati scored TD on interception return for TD. Points against says - 16-20 = 1 11-15 = 2 6-10 = 3 I get 2 since 17-6 = 11? Extra point counts against Def, right? Otherwise I get 3 since 17-6-1 = 10. Is this how we have been scoring it? These are very small amounts of points and probably wouldn't change much in terms of results. I am just surprised! __________________ Every Fantasy Football League has 3 teams. If you look around and only see 2...

May 2nd, 2012, 04:33 PM	#6
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: Defense scoring question extra points & 2-point conversions go against the defense... TDs are six points... So under your hypothetical scenario, you'd get 2 points for the 11 points scored against the Jax D.

May 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM	#7
emerald Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 5,045	Re: Defense scoring question Got it. Thanks! __________________ Every Fantasy Football League has 3 teams. If you look around and only see 2...

May 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM	#8
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: Defense scoring question Jim is correct. FWIW, it's fairly typical in many leagues to score defenses this way, which is why MFL has a specific rule to exclude these types of scores from counting against the defense. I suppose we could have pulled PAT's from the equation as well, since that's generally a Special Teams play, however, I believe the argument was made that the defense is generally on the field for the PAT to prevent potential 2 point conversions and thus we all agreed to count PAT & conversions against the D as well. It was over a decade ago, and we were somewhat limited by the scoring rules available to us when we developed the scoring, but I believe that is how it shook out. __________________ *4x Frenzy Champions (2003, 2005, 2013, 2022) with 9 appearances in the Frenzy Bowl (4 in the past 5 seasons*) 2022 Co-Champions with WchMeGo Roosters Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

May 2nd, 2012, 06:00 PM	#9
Burt the Butcher Supreme FF Dominator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Falcon, Colorado Posts: 19,481	Re: Defense scoring question Man, ain't it great to have Mike back again!! __________________ What's the point in calling shots His cue ain't straight in line Cue balls made of Styrofoam And no ones got the time OUT---

May 2nd, 2012, 09:22 PM	#10
Royal Hawaiian Opihi Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 16,604	Re: Defense scoring question He is a wealth of knowledge.

May 2nd, 2012, 09:58 PM	#11
emerald Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 5,045	Re: Defense scoring question He should have his own forum. __________________ Every Fantasy Football League has 3 teams. If you look around and only see 2...

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