2008 RFA Commentary - Page 2

Preds · April 1st, 2008, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

I think Matt's going to be stoked just to see these words in print!!!

I think it's GREAT for Matt to get that respect and be seen as a top tier squad. He's certainly paid his dues and deserves to be a condender!

I couldn't think of a more deserving person or franchise.

Popes · April 1st, 2008, 10:01 PM

Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it"

Flaxwless · April 1st, 2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it"

What do I care how it affects Matt?

Sometimes you can get extra fancy.... but at the end of the day you have to improve your team and like you said Wayne is an easy decline (so I hope).... so I'd like to make that official and get onto the building the rest of my team.

Plus we're not talking a defending champ here.

Amish · April 1st, 2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it"

Well all you have to do now is up the bid on Wayne in 2 days and you'll accomplish that (assuming no one else jumps in on Anderson) Also, why isn't Chatman an easy cut? Did I miss something with him going to NYJ?

Popes · April 1st, 2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

What do I care how it affects Matt? Sometimes you can get extra fancy.... but at the end of the day you have to improve your team and like you said Wayne is an easy decline (so I hope).... so I'd like to make that official and get onto the building the rest of my team.

Fair enough. In my book, it's a missed opportunity. I like to play offense and defense, but to each his own.

Popes · April 1st, 2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amish

Well all you have to do now is up the bid on Wayne in 2 days and you'll accomplish that (assuming no one else jumps in on Anderson) Also, why isn't Chatman an easy cut? Did I miss something with him going to NYJ?

At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.

Amish · April 1st, 2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.

You know I was just screwing with you on bidding on Wayne

... just not funny as it was in my head.

Preds · April 2nd, 2008, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad.

So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work.

Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too.

If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees.

Oh, well. Onto other strategies…

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

At that price? No chance. I have 850 to run a sneaky move on a guy that I'd be happy to land if it backfires on me (I need a QB and Anderson would look lovely on my team). But I have no space or interest in bidding 2350 on a WR that would kill me if I landed him.

And Chatman may be an easy cut talent-wise, but it's a $220 hit. That's his pain, which could have been our gain.

Why would Frank care about your "sneaky" plan? He cares about his own team and not yours. You're saying he should have looked at Matt's situation and held off so Matt would be forced with a decision on Anderson? Again, why? What would the Insects gain by that? Why would he care about your team or Matt's? He's trying to rebuild his own squad.

Personally, I've never looked at another team bidding on a UFA I had no interest in and said, "oh, gotta stay out of that so he can force x team to make a decision... THEN I'll jump in on the next guy." I have, however, looked at teams in trouble, and bid on a 2nd or 3rd RFA from the same team at the same time, knowing that my chances to land the player just increased.

Popes · April 2nd, 2008, 09:19 AM

Not really what I was getting at, but it's irrelevant. Carry on with the bidding!

Preds · April 2nd, 2008, 09:23 AM

OK guess I'm just :confused:

carry on!

Amish · April 2nd, 2008, 09:20 PM

Liquid Swords + Terrell Owens = MAN CRUSH!!

Amish · April 2nd, 2008, 11:49 PM

Quick question. Your RFA's tender counts against your cap until you match or decline correct?

Popes · April 2nd, 2008, 11:51 PM

Correctamundo.

Valley Avengers · April 3rd, 2008, 09:23 AM

From FootballGuys.com . . . mostly:

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson said his injured left knee (sprained MCL) feels "terrible" and he is unsure that he will be fully recovered for the 2008 season. He was confident, however, that he would be unable to participate during mini-camp in May. "There is still a lot of pain when I do certain things," he said.

Crap, I think I may have overbid.

Amish · April 3rd, 2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Avengers

From FootballGuys.com . . . mostly:

Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson said his injured left knee (sprained MCL) feels "terrible" and he is unsure that he will be fully recovered for the 2008 season. He was confident, however, that he would be unable to participate during mini-camp in May. "There is still a lot of pain when I do certain things," he said.

Crap, I think I may have overbid.

You are still 500-600 under his previous years' contracts. I think 2999 would probably be a match.

Valley Avengers · April 3rd, 2008, 04:22 PM

From FootballGuys.com . . . sort of:

YR	TM	G	TRG	REC	YD	Y/R	TD	RANK
2003	SD	15	39	25	389	16.2	2	25	[game logs]	[splits]
2004	SD	15	111	30	300	10.0	1.5	32	[game logs]	[splits]
2005	SD	15	140	20	240	12.0	1.0	47	[game logs]	[splits]
2006	SD	16	119	10	80	8.0	0.5	67	[game logs]	[splits]
2007	SD	16	117	5	30	6.0	0	99	[game logs]	[splits]
TOT		77	526	90	1039	11.5	4

Put those brutal numbers with this report:

San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo potentially career-ending foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a prolonged recovery time, which would likely prevent him from being ready for the start of the regular season.

I can't believe he's up to 1000 already, that will be an easy decline.

Preds · April 3rd, 2008, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Avengers

From FootballGuys.com . . . sort of:

YR	TM	G	TRG	REC	YD	Y/R	TD	RANK
2003	SD	15	39	25	389	16.2	2	25	[game logs]	[splits]
2004	SD	15	111	30	300	10.0	1.5	32	[game logs]	[splits]
2005	SD	15	140	20	240	12.0	1.0	47	[game logs]	[splits]
2006	SD	16	119	10	80	8.0	0.5	67	[game logs]	[splits]
2007	SD	16	117	5	30	6.0	0	99	[game logs]	[splits]
TOT		77	526	90	1039	11.5	4

Put those brutal numbers with this report:

San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo potentially career-ending foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a prolonged recovery time, which would likely prevent him from being ready for the start of the regular season.

I can't believe he's up to 1000 already, that will be an easy decline.

COOL

ETA.. your numbers are way off, but PLEASE DECLINE

Code:

YR TM G TRG REC YD Y/R TD FPT RANK VBD 
   
   
 2003 SD 15 39 24 389 16.2 2 51 18 0 [game logs] [splits]
 2004 SD 15 111 81 964 11.9 13 174 1 105 [game logs] [splits]
 2005 SD 15 140 89 1101 12.4 10 170 1 93 [game logs] [splits]
 2006 SD 16 119 71 924 13.0 9 146 1 65 [game logs] [splits]
 2007 SD 16 117 75 984 13.1 9 152 2 74 [game logs] [splits]
  TOT 
   77 526 340 4362 12.8 43 693 
   337

Chargers :: TE

Chargers TE Gates To Undergo Foot Surgery
Matt Mosley, ESPN - [Full Article]

Quote:

San Diego Chargers tight end Antonio Gates plans to undergo foot surgery next week to fix the injury that nagged him at the end of the season. The Chargers Pro Bowl tight end faces a four-to-six month recovery time, which should allow him to be ready for the start of the regular season and possibly the start of training camp.

Love the spin on the fake story too. BID HIM UP BOYS!

Popes · April 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM

Any guy who catches half touchdowns is an insta-match, at any price.

Preds · April 3rd, 2008, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

Any guy who catches half touchdowns is an insta-match, at any price.

:confused:

ok, yeah whatever...

Popes · April 3rd, 2008, 04:45 PM

Clearly he doctored the numbers, as Gates somehow found a way to catch 1.5 TDs in 2004 and .5 TDs in 2006 in his stats. They're joke articles, people! Notice how the bolded terms are all the opposite of reality.

Preds · April 3rd, 2008, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popes

Clearly he doctored the numbers, as Gates somehow found a way to catch 1.5 TDs in 2004 and .5 TDs in 2006 in his stats. They're joke articles, people! Notice how the bolded terms are all the opposite of reality.

:woosh:

I get it... just didn't really find the humor. Since when do people in the Frenzy go fishing as if this were the FFA?

is that all about.

Valley Avengers · April 3rd, 2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds

I get it... just didn't really find the humor. Since when do people in the Frenzy go fishing as if this were the FFA?

is that all about.

I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.

Preds · April 3rd, 2008, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Avengers

I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.

No worries... I'm having a rough day. Just lost my flights to Europe and had to cancel a trip which blows.

I was just not looking for humor. I apologise.

ETA the FFA stands for the Free For All Forums at FBG. Fishing is when you bait someone into a thread or post, basically like what just happened to me becuase I read your post too literal at first, was perplexed, and didn't figure out what the heck you had done until after pulling the stats myself. DOH!

Amish · April 3rd, 2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Avengers

I do find this humorous, and I tried to make them look fabricated. I have no idea what fishing has to do with it, or what the FFA is. I'm trying to have some fun and spur some fun postings from others. If its not appreciated, I'll stop. Not a big deal to me.

I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!

Preds · April 3rd, 2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amish

I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!

You would.

Rolling on the Floor Laughing My Ass Off

Valley Avengers · April 3rd, 2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amish

I enjoyed it and keep it coming!!!

Can do. It makes for a nice break from reading cases and and building spreadsheets all day long.

Liquid Swords · April 3rd, 2008, 08:01 PM

FFA = Future Farmers of America

Flaxwless · April 3rd, 2008, 09:19 PM

Woooooooooooooooooo!

Reggie Wayne... come to daddy!

The rebuilding is almost complete!!

Worst to First!! Worst to First!!

Amish · April 4th, 2008, 10:16 AM

Agressive bid on Gates (bandwagon bid

)!!! I like it.

Side note: - Very boring Frenzy RFA action so far! S'ACD is ripping us apart for activity.

Valley Avengers · April 4th, 2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amish

Agressive bid on Gates (bandwagon bid

)!!! I like it.

I would call it a shock to the system. I actually got whiplash looking at that bump. He really is still hurt... a little bit... This is why we've got less action than SAC'D - lots of bids right at the market value.

April 1st, 2008, 10:01 PM	#32
Popes Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,052	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Since people don't seem to see what I'm getting at, here was my thought process. My ribbing of Frank had nothing to do with the Wayne's price (irrelevant to my concerns), but timing. Matt was in cap hell. He's got 5 excellent WRs and is in desperate need of a QB and starting RBs. Until he can decline Wayne, he was stuck. I know how bad he wants a QB (based on all the trades he's tried to make) and he traded for Anderson with the intent to match, but he's got no room to do so with Wayne on his squad. So I threw Anderson out for a bid that would cause him deep pain to match. He'd have had to free up $435 to match $850. His easily cutable guys equal less than $400, so to cut enough guys to make room would require him to cut deep into guys that he wants to keep. Or swing a trade. Or do something drastic to make it work. Of course, that only works when he's stuck up against the cap. Now he's free not only to match Anderson, but have money to enter the RFA market, too. If a good team has put themselves in a box, I say we keep our foot on the top of the box (or even push it down a little). I figure if us lower teams wanna move up, the higher teams gotta come down in the procees. Oh, well. Onto other strategies… Yes, Matt, I'm gunning for ya. You've "made it"

April 2nd, 2008, 09:19 AM	#39
Popes Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,052	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Not really what I was getting at, but it's irrelevant. Carry on with the bidding!

April 2nd, 2008, 09:23 AM	#40
Preds *****istrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hamburg, NY Posts: 17,782	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary OK guess I'm just :confused: carry on! __________________ *4x Frenzy Champions (2003, 2005, 2013, 2022) with 9 appearances in the Frenzy Bowl (4 in the past 5 seasons*) 2022 Co-Champions with WchMeGo Roosters Email: preds1@gmail.com Cell: 716-481-8823

April 2nd, 2008, 09:20 PM	#41
Amish General Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,181	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Liquid Swords + Terrell Owens = MAN CRUSH!! Last edited by Amish; April 2nd, 2008 at 09:33 PM.

April 2nd, 2008, 11:49 PM	#42
Amish General Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,181	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Quick question. Your RFA's tender counts against your cap until you match or decline correct?

April 2nd, 2008, 11:51 PM	#43
Popes Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,052	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Correctamundo.

April 3rd, 2008, 09:23 AM	#44
Valley Avengers General Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Apple Valley, MN Posts: 308	Tomlinson From FootballGuys.com . . . mostly: Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson said his injured left knee (sprained MCL) feels *"terrible"* and he is *unsure that* he will be fully recovered for the 2008 season. He was confident, however, that he would be *unable* to participate during mini-camp in May. "There is still *a lot of* pain when I do certain things," he said. Crap, I think I may have overbid.

April 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM	#48
Popes Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,052	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Any guy who catches half touchdowns is an insta-match, at any price.

April 3rd, 2008, 04:45 PM	#50
Popes Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,052	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Clearly he doctored the numbers, as Gates somehow found a way to catch 1.5 TDs in 2004 and .5 TDs in 2006 in his stats. They're joke articles, people! Notice how the bolded terms are all the opposite of reality.

April 3rd, 2008, 08:01 PM	#57
Liquid Swords Frenzy and SAC'D Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fishers, IN Posts: 17,307	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary FFA = Future Farmers of America

April 3rd, 2008, 09:19 PM	#58
Flaxwless Feeding Frenzy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 6,050	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Woooooooooooooooooo! Reggie Wayne... come to daddy! The rebuilding is almost complete!! Worst to First!! Worst to First!! __________________ Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects - 1st EVER Feeding Frenzy Champion Bay Area Bloodsuckers 2008 SAC'D Champions - 2nd Worst to First in Year! 2011 SAC'D Champions - #5 seed, # 2 power rankings, #1 in the end!

April 4th, 2008, 10:16 AM	#59
Amish General Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,181	Re: 2008 RFA Commentary Agressive bid on Gates (bandwagon bid )!!! I like it. Side note: - Very boring Frenzy RFA action so far! S'ACD is ripping us apart for activity.

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