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Old June 23rd, 2020, 10:33 AM   #61
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Default Re: Covid IR Spots

I know I initially put an idea out there, but the more discussion I am seeing on this, the more I am leaning hard to lets just increase IR slots by 3.

some of the arguments what if you get a covid player on sat, ok having been in this league for probably ten plus years I have had plenty of times I get a player injured during the week and I got with an empty slot on game day. so its bound to happen, and I know the argument is the evil COVID, but I think personally were over playing COVID. we had what a two week period with protests that there was no mention of how dangerous it was to spread it, I mean common either it applies to all cases or not. but anyway, I think Keep It Simple. I doubt I vote for anything other than just add IR slots.
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I know I initially put an idea out there, but the more discussion I am seeing on this, the more I am leaning hard to lets just increase IR slots by 3.

some of the arguments what if you get a covid player on sat, ok having been in this league for probably ten plus years I have had plenty of times I get a player injured during the week and I got with an empty slot on game day. so its bound to happen, and I know the argument is the evil COVID, but I think personally were over playing COVID. we had what a two week period with protests that there was no mention of how dangerous it was to spread it, I mean common either it applies to all cases or not. but anyway, I think Keep It Simple. I doubt I vote for anything other than just add IR slots.
FWIW, many people, including myself mentioned how stupid the protesters were being in regards to the pandemic, particularly those that refused to wear facemasks. Unfortunately, the anger they have supersedes their concerns over the pandemic. I fear the black community (which already appears to be the hardest hit by the virus according to the statistics) will be paying the price for these protests with the further spread of the virus in their communities in the coming weeks and months.

I work in healthcare, I have an immuno-compromised system (I understand your wife does as well). I also have family on the front lines in the medical field, as well as in the laboratory. I have a brother that is a brilliant scientist who has spent his entire life on RNA & DNA research and the impact and prevention of viruses and bacteria to humans. He has built test assays used around the world for the identification and treatment of various viruses, including several varieties of the deadliest coronaviruses. The people I know and trust tell me Covid is not to be taken lightly and we're far from over with this pandemic. Just look at the alarming increases in the southern and western states. Florida had over 8000 new cases this past weekend alone.
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Old June 23rd, 2020, 11:59 AM   #63
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I agree with Dale.. Keep it simple. I would vote for one additional IR slot. This is no different than anything else taking out a player.
I still hold to my opinion, that if any of us end up with more than 3 players out with this, the NFL is cancelling the season, or you are the most unlucky team in the history of FF with all 3 Covid players. I really don't see the season continuing if 20+ players go out with this at one time.
MLB closed all spring training facilities with only 5 players on the Phillies testing positive
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Old June 23rd, 2020, 12:02 PM   #64
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new cases are expected as we reopen. the main concern is if we get to a point where we overwhelm the hospitals, which even in the hot spot of NY, theyre hospitals were near capacity, but never were over, they never used any of the make shift hospitals put up, and only used put 180 some patient on that medical ship. viruses will come and go all the time, the question is do we shut down an economy and cause more harm in poverty and suicides, as we are seeing big spikes in suicides from this. the docs told my wife at her last infusion she should be more worried about the flu than covid. and the toal patient in Colorado springs hospitals for coivd has been 5, as of a month ago. most people do not require hospitalization, mostly the elderly with preexisting conditions are most at risk. athletes, they should all get in a hotel, and get it over with, how many have young athletes have died from this, very few if any. im not a heartless person, just a person based in reality and the severity of the issue. yeah its bad it kills people, but so does the flu ,and besides our own governor admitted we were over counting covid deaths.
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Pretty sure MFL cannot handle that.
Agreed that MFL would probably not be able to handle this. It would be a manual scoring with an admin override of the "0" score that MFL would show for the Covid player.

It was just a thought to try to make the whole replacement thing easier.

Of course, the manual scoring would make a little more work for whomever would be responsible for the scoring...
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Old June 23rd, 2020, 12:21 PM   #66
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I'm good with just adding another IR slot as well.

Keeping it as simple as possible is probably the best course.. We would just need to specifics regarding what qualifies as a Covid IR player and the time allowed on IR.

Also, do we have any idea how the NFL is going to designate these player so we will know.
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I'm also good with additional IR slot(s). Not sure how NFL would designate them. They may just list them as Out which could complicate matters with alternate solutions we've discussed.

While most players may not be as susceptible to the severe side of the virus, some of the older members of the coaching staff may be.
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of course the older people are more susceptible.
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I'm really starting to doubt there is going to be a football season...baseball season already starting to crumble first week in...two series postponed already..
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I'm really starting to doubt there is going to be a football season...baseball season already starting to crumble first week in...two series postponed already..
12 Marlins players and 2 coaches have tested positive. How the heck can they field a viable team when literally half the team is now out?

I'm seriously worried if we're going to see NFL this season, and really bummed if we don't.
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Food for thought on handling the virus in Frenzy and SACD...

This FBG article breaks down the Return to Play agreement between the players and NFL.

Players with Covid will get a special Covid Related Illness List designation, so we will know who is or isn't out for Covid. They're also majorly loosening regular IR rules for the season in the NFL.

Some highlights from the article:
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To support players with illness and provide a roster buffer, the NFL will implement new injured reserve rules and provide exemptions for players diagnosed with COVID.

2020 injured reserve list changes:
  • Teams may return an unlimited number of players from injured reserve in 2020
  • A player may return to the active roster after three weeks on injured reserve
  • Teams have three weeks of practice to decide whether to activate a player designated to return

2020 COVID-related illness list and roster exemptions:
  • A player diagnosed with COVID will be placed on a separate exempt list
  • Teams will be given a roster exemption after a player with COVID receives medical clearance to return
  • Roster exemption for one week if the player was on the exempt list for less than 4 weeks
  • Roster exemption for two weeks if the player was on the exempt list for 4+ weeks
Another key thing to consider is handling contracts for players who opt out for the 2020 season. That could be crippling to fantasy teams and beyond any realistic pre-planning.

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Be mindful that some players may opt out of the 2020 season

The NFL and NFLPA have yet to formally agree on a date to opt out of the 2020 season for COVID-related health concerns. Many players have raised concerns about their own health and the health of their families. None have formally announced an intention to opt out.
And since the referenced FBG article was published, the players and league have agreed to Opt-Out terms;
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The agreed-upon deal includes an allowance for 16-man practice squads, high-risk and voluntary opt-outs of participation and the absence of a preseason for 2020, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported.

For players who opt out of participating, high-risk candidates will receive a $350,000 stipend and their contract will toll, per Pelissero. Voluntary opt-outs will receive a $150,000 salary advance and their contract will toll as well. Opt-outs are due within seven days of the deal being finalized.

All of the CDC's defined "increased risk" categories -- e.g. moderate-to-severe asthma, sickle cell disease, Type 2 diabetes, etc. -- are covered as "high risk" under the deal, with the exception of high-BMI.
Chiefs starting Guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif has already notified the team he's opting out. Granted, this isn't a skill position player, but he's the first of what could be several players to decide not to play in 2020.

I think both leagues should discuss these impactful changes pre-actively plan around them. I mean, how do we handle it if a player decides to opt out. Does their contract toll, is the team penalized? Do teams get a roster exemption for said players, etc. I've heard Todd Gurley is one player that is seriously considering opting out. Others have been very vocal as well (Russell Wilson, Stefon Diggs, etc).

I think we need to start discussing how we will handle players who opt out, and further discuss handling players that are designated with Covid Related Illness by the NFL.
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It's getting crazy... again.
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1st rd pick WR Justin Jefferson has been placed on the Reserve-Covid list by the Vikings today

also rookie RB Ke'Shawn Vaughn

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Reported (not 100% verified) Opt-Outs thus far:

G Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
WR De'Anthony Thomas
OL Chance Warmack
FB Danny Vitale
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Add Pro-Bowl LB Dont'a Hightower and RB Brandon Bolden to the list of opt-outs. That's 5 thus far. Guess they aren't as excited to play there without Brady!
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Damn, S Patrick Chung is also Opting Out. That's 6 thus far now!
Looks like Belicheats coaching doesn't wear so well without TB12!
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I might have to dump the NE defense! lol
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I might have to dump the NE defense! lol
Perhaps, but it's a great opportunity for S Kyle Dugger, our 5.12 draft pick in SACD!

FWIW, I've read that between UFA and Opt-Outs, NE is down 5 starters from last years D, including all 4 LB's. Not sure if that's correct but I read that on another board.
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The Opt Out List keeps growing.

Add WR Devin Funchess to the Opt Out list.

Also there are disputed reports that QB Nick Foles has opted out as well.

Here's a list maintained by the NFL of the most definitive Opt Outs thus far:
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Well that hurts Funchess' career....that dumbass was finally getting a chance with an offense that would kill for a viable 2nd option...what a moron...
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Wow RB Damien Williams has informed the team he will be opting out.

I'm telling you, as a league we need to come to a solution and get ahead of the game on this before this turns into chaos for rosters!
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What would you suggest, Mike?
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What would you suggest, Mike?
I'd like to hear other voices than just mine! That said, I posted a suggestion for opt-outs in the Funchess thread.
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There are three pages on this post.. Not enough thoughts?
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There are three pages on this post.. Not enough thoughts?
There's certainly no consensus and a lot of division. We need to unite on how to handle this, whatever way that ends up being.
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Here is my suggestion, which Pirates posted something similar in Funchess thread:

Add 3 Covid IR slots - only covid related temporary absence...works same as regular IR

Unlimited Opt Out spots...players who opt out of season, go to this pool..their contracts go on hold for the year - they come back next year at same contract - contract does not count against owning teams cap at all this year
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So Burt and website guys - can our system even handle a covid opt out pool of players??? Or do we manually keep a list of those players w/contract details in a thread? It seems like Burt is implying opt outs will freeze completely with $$$ and years? Is that what you are proposing?

The real NFL is only imposing a guaranteed money point of fact. The money rolls over even if player goes to another team, which I don't know how they can impose that on a new team. Messy if you ask me. NFL contracts and FA status tolls. I only mention this because we like to mirror them as much as reasonably possible.

That all being said as IR guy - I like covid guys following our standard IR rules with the added slots. The issue is how many? Why would we restrict the number when they are covid identified? It's not gonna be a secret. Why 2 or 3 or 10, just a thought.

The opt outs need a more immediate solution hopefully based on what our software can or cannot do...or a manual solution we agree on...
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MFL can handle it.. Cut a player and delete penalty.
Pat is pretty savvy with Excel so I'm sure he can add a section for Covid opt out holdovers
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Ok..I owe Pat (and probably everyone) an apology as I re-read these threads...I was in a narrow frame of mind...I also read that he wanted to at will make covid moves that weren't covid related - which wasn't the case...I overreacted and was wrong. I'm sorry Sword. And to the rest of you...I'll do better.
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I think this is too tough to decide right now. Everything is sooooo fluid and is changing constantly. The minute we make a firm decision, things WILL change. With how baseball is going, I doubt the NFL will move forward.
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