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Old May 17th, 2004, 04:51 PM   #1
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Default Draft recap. How did each team do?

Draft recap by team.


Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects
1.05Kellen Winslow IITE 1Cleveland
1.06Chris PerryRB 5Cincinnati
3.04Ernest WilfordWR 16Jacksonville
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1.10Cedric CobbsRB 6New England
1.13Rashaun WoodsWR 5San Francisco
2.13Derrick HamiltonWR 12San Francisco
3.14Jeff SmokerQB 7St Louis
3.16Brandon MireeRB 16Denver
4.15Ben HartsockTE 9Indianapolis
Indiana Undead
2.08Ben WatsonTE 4New England
3.08Cody PickettQB 6San Francisco
3.17Bruce PerryRB 17 Philadelphia
4.08Matt KranchickTE 8Pittsburgh
Jersey Toxic Waste
1.04Stephen JacksonRB 4St Louis
1.14Michael JenkinsWR 6Atlanta
2.04Michael TurnerRB 8San Diego
2.14Darius WattsWR 13Denver
3.14Derrick KnightRB 15Carolina
4.04Tim EuhusTE 7Buffalo
Liquid Swords
1.01Kevin JonesRB 1Detroit
2.11Keary ColbertWR 10Carolina
3.13Matt SchaubQB 8Atlanta
4.09PK SamWR 20New England
Nittany Dodgers
1.02Julius JonesRB 2Dallas
1.15Ben RoethlisbergerQB 2Pittsburgh
2.02Phillip RiversQB 4San Diego
3.02Carlos FrancisWR 15Oakland
4.02Ben UtechtTE 6Indianapolis
Parkwood Predators
1.03Tatum BellRB 3Denver
1.12Eli ManningQB 1NY Giants
3.09Jarrett PaytonRB 13Tennessee
3.12Samie ParkerWR 17Kansas City
4.12Jericho CotcheryWR 22NY Jets
Philadelphia Freedom
1.11Lee EvansWR 4Buffalo
1.16Greg JonesRB 7Jacksonville
2.01JP LosmanQB 3Buffalo
2.03Tony HollingsRBHouston
2.12Devery HendersonWR 9New Orleans
2.15Ran CarthonRB 10Indianapolis
3.06Nate KaedingK 1San Diego
4.06Adimchinobe Echamandu RB 19Cleveland
Royal Hawaiian Opihi
1.17Michael ClaytonWR 7Tampa Bay
2.09Mewelde MooreRB 9Minnesota
2.12Johnnie MorantWR 11Oakland
3.11Clarence FarmerRB 14Seattle
4.11James NewsonWR 21Dallas
Soap Box Derby Car
2.05Devard DarlingWR 8Baltimore
3.01Bernard BerrianWR 14Chicago
3.05Luke McCownQB 5Cleveland
3.15Kris WilsonTE 5Kansas City
4.05DJ HackettWR 19Seattle
4.13Ryan KrauseWR 23San Diego
Urza's Ragers
1.07Roy WilliamsWR 1Detroit
2.07Chris CooleyTE 3Washington
3.07Troy FlemingRB 12Tennessee
4.07Quincy WilsonRB 20Atlanta
Wonder Mutts
1.08Reggie WilliamsWR 2Jacksonville
1.09Larry FitzgeraldWR 3Arizona
2.06Ben TroupeTE 2Tennessee
3.03Derrick WardRB 11NY Jets
4.01Jason GeathersWR 18Cleveland
4.03Jason WrightRB 18San Francisco

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Old May 17th, 2004, 07:55 PM   #2
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Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects
1.05 Kellen Winslow II TE 1 Cleveland
1.06 Chris Perry RB 5 Cincinnati
3.04 Ernest Wilford WR 16 Jacksonville
With 2 of the top 6 picks in the draft the Insects were well positioned to get impact players. I'm high on K2 and think he'll be a top 4 TE for years to come. He is destined to succeed. Hopefully his attitude wont get the best of him but he seems like he's a born winner. I felt Perry was a reach, especially given the fact that a WR had not been taken yet. I know RBs are a valuable commodity but unless the Insects thought Perry was an elite RB prospect, I cant sees how they could pass on Fitz or Roy. The 5th RB taken versus the 1st WR taken. It would have been an easy decision for me, especially given the drop-off after the first 4 RBs were taken.
Overall grade: B-.

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1.10 Cedric Cobbs RB 6 New England
1.13 Rashaun Woods WR 5 San Francisco
2.13 Derrick Hamilton WR 12 San Francisco
3.10 4 Jeff Smoker QB 7 St Louis
3.16 Brandon Miree RB 16 Denver
4.10 5 Ben Hartsock TE 9 Indianapolis
I'm fairly happy with my draft. Jake tossed a curveball when he passed on Eli and took Reggie Williams. I had a deal worked out with the Freedom to swap my 1.10 pick for his 1.11, allowing me to move up a few slots in the 2nd and 3rd. When Jake took Reggie, that deal went out the window as Matt was targeting Reggie all along. Also, taking Reggie made my decision at 1.10 much easier. It was a toss up between Cobbs and Reggie for me at that point. Cobbs has always shown the tools but injuries and off field issues have held him back. He claims he's now much more mature. New England is a great place for him to learn the team concept and watch Dillon for a year or 2.

Eli was intriguing but a couple of reasons why I passed on him. I think Eli is a great QB talent but I dont like his situation in New York. I feel they traded too much to get him and the minute he starts to struggle the fans and media will jump on him like sharks in bloody waters. Also, I dont like Coughlin as a coach. He did well with Brunell in Jax but Brunell never put up good fantasy numbers. Coughlin has been known more as a ball control, defensive coach. But maybe that's because he never had a QB like Eli. Add in the fact that I have Hasselback signed for an additional 4 years QB was not a pressing concern for me.

I love Woods and his potential in SF. SF is looking for a new offense and with both veteran WR gone from last year, this leaves a great opportunity for Woods to come in a produce right away. Luckily the guy I wanted to move up in the 2nd to draft fell to me anyway. Derrick Hamilton is a young raw talent but give him a couple years and he can form a dynamic duo alongside Woods. Smoker, Miree, and Harstock are all projects with huge question marks.
Overall grade: B.

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Indiana Undead
2.08 Ben Watson TE 4 New England
3.08 Cody Pickett QB 6 San Francisco
3.17 Bruce Perry RB 17 Philadelphia
4.08 Matt Kranchick TE 8 Pittsburgh
The Undead didnt have a pick until 25th pick in the draft. It's tough to get impact players at that point. Watson is a 1st rounder but will be competing with a stable of TEs. He may emerge though but it seems unlikely this year. Pickett is a nice player who fell in the NFL draft. The Niners QB situation is still up in the air with Rattay hurt and Dorsey, a 7th round pick from 2003, still unproven. Who knows, Pickett could be the man come 2006.
Overall grade: C-.

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Jersey Toxic Waste
1.04 Stephen Jackson RB 4 St Louis
1.14 Michael Jenkins WR 6 Atlanta
2.04 Michael Turner RB 8 San Diego
2.14 Darius Watts WR 13 Denver
3.14 Derrick Knight RB 15 Carolina
4.04 Tim Euhus TE 7 Buffalo
Jersey had a solid draft. Steven Jackson will have to wait a year or 2 but when he gets the keys to the St. Louis offense he's golden. I had Jenkins a bit lower than WR 6 but if Vick can stay healthy the Atl offense will be spectacular. "Burner" Turner is a speedster who can flat out fly. This seems like a home run swing hoping LT will leave after his contract is up. LT isn't going anywhere as long as the Chargers have their franchise tag. Darius Watts is intriguing. Shanny's been looking for replacements at WR. Rod Smith is one year older, Easy Ed has retired and Leile has disappointed. The opportunity is there.
Overall grade: B+
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Liquid Swords
1.01 Kevin Jones RB 1 Detroit
2.11 Keary Colbert WR 10 Carolina
3.13 Matt Schaub QB 8 Atlanta
4.09 PK Sam WR 20 New England
I cant argue with the #1 overall pick. He has the best chance to make an impact this year. Detroit is young and things are looking up. KJ has the chance to be elite. Colbert was overshadowed by Mike Williams but has quietly produced great numbers for the Trojans. Good value at 2.11. He could team with Steve Smith and become a formidable duo. Schaub and Sam are decent sleepers.
Overall grade: B+.

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Nittany Dodgers
1.02 Julius Jones RB 2 Dallas
1.15 Ben Roethlisberger QB 2 Pittsburgh
2.02 Phillip Rivers QB 4 San Diego
3.02 Carlos Francis WR 15 Oakland
4.02 Ben Utecht TE 6 Indianapolis
I love the Dodger's draft. They got an impact player in Julius Jones and grabbed great value with Big Ben and Rivers even though they already have Pennington on board. Give those blue chip prospects a couple years to produce and the Dodgers can have excellent trade bait.
Overall grade: A.
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Parkwood Predators
1.03 Tatum Bell RB 3 Denver
1.12 Eli Manning QB 1 NY Giants
3.09 Jarrett Payton RB 13 Tennessee
3.12 Samie Parker WR 17 Kansas City
4.12 Jericho Cotchery WR 22 NY Jets
The Predators got the guy they wanted in Bell and picked up excellent value when Eli slid down to the bottom of the first. Bell is the quintessential Denver back, if he can learn to hold on to the ball and learn the system he can dominate. Eli is in a tough situation but is too good to pass this late in the draft.
Overall grade: A-.
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Philadelphia Freedom
1.11 Lee Evans WR 4 Buffalo
1.16 Greg Jones RB 7 Jacksonville
2.01 JP Losman QB 3 Buffalo
2.03 Tony Hollings RB Houston
2.1 2 Devery Henderson WR 9 New Orleans
2.15 Ran Carthon RB 10 Indianapolis
3.06 Nate Kaeding K 1 San Diego
4.06 Adimchinobe Echamandu RB 19 Cleveland
Philly had a plethora of draft picks. I love Lee Evans. He worked his way back from an ACL and made himself a 1st round pick. He's got Moulds opposite him to learn from. Speedy and sure handed he'll produce sooner rather than later. Greg Jones is another guy coming back from a knee injury in college. He was rated very highly before his injury and reports are he'll be used in an "Alstott" role which could mean production this year. And you never know with Fragile Freddie, one sneeze and he might pull something. I've never been high on JP Losman. He has all the tools, mobility and a good arm. It's the attitude that I dislike. Some people love him, others hate it. We'll see how it goes in Buffalo. Devery Henderson was excellent value in the late 2nd. Donte Stallworth has yet to prove he can stay healthy and Joe Horn is not getting any younger. Philly has a good chance of getting 4 starters from this draft. Great job.
Overall grade: A.
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Royal Hawaiian Opihi
1.17 Michael Clayton WR 7 Tampa Bay
2.09 Mewelde Moore RB 9 Minnesota
2.12 Johnnie Morant WR 11 Oakland
3.11 Clarence Farmer RB 14 Seattle
4.11 James Newson WR 21 Dallas
I love Clayton at the end of the 1st round. He probably should have gone before some of the other WRs. I had him neck and neck with Rashaun Woods but then homerism took over. The rest of the Opihi draft look like projects to me. Moore is buried behind 3 other RBs but stranger things have happened. Of the remaining 3 picks I think Morant is the only one with a decent chance at becoming productive. Overall grade: C.
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Soap Box Derby Car
2.05 Devard Darling WR 8 Baltimore
3.01 Bernard Berrian WR 14 Chicago
3.05 Luke McCown QB 5 Cleveland
3.15 Kris Wilson TE 5 Kansas City
4.05 DJ Hackett WR 19 Seattle
4.13 Ryan Krause WR 23 San Diego
Trading away your 1st pick makes your draft look very weak in comparison to others. Devard Darling could end up being good, Balt's WR situation is still very sketchy but with Ben Troupe or Devery Henderson still on the board, I thought Darling was a reach. Passing on Troupe will come back to haunt SBDC.
Overall grade: D.
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Urza's Ragers
1.07 Roy Williams WR 1 Detroit
2.07 Chris Cooley TE 3 Washington
3.07 Troy Fleming RB 12 Tennessee
4.07 Quincy Wilson RB 20 Atlanta
I like Roy Williams. Fitz and Roy are so close, you can easily make an argument for either one. I thought Cooley was a reach, Troupe being taken 1 pick ahead must have flustered the Ragers. I thought Schaub would make more sense at 3.07. Outside Roy, I don't like this draft class much.
Overall grade: C.
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Wonder Mutts
1.08 Reggie Williams WR 2 Jacksonville
1.09 Larry Fitzgerald WR 3 Arizona
2.06 Ben Troupe TE 2 Tennessee
3.03 Derrick Ward RB 11 NY Jets
4.01 Jason Geathers WR 18 Cleveland
4.03 Jason Wright RB 18 San Francisco
The Mutts did a excellent job in this draft. They secured 2 top 3 WR prospects and a top TE prospect to boot. In addition to that they have a couple of late round sleepers in Ward and Wright. More likely than not these guys will bust but I feel they have a better chance than most players chosen at this stage. Great draft.
Overall grade: A.

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Good stuff, I agree with your assessment on my draft.
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Two things about my OPIHI draft... for starters... Carson Palmer's in my stable, not the Dodgers'. Second, any comments on my draft should should also include TE Jeremy SHOCKEY, because that's who I got for my original 1.11 draft spot. With that in mind, I have no qualms about calling everyone after Michael Clayton "a prospect."

As for overall Drafts... I have to tip my cap to the Dodgers. Think they clearly got the most out of all their picks... with the Mutts coming in 2nd (love their first 3 picks!).

[edited my bonehead Stevens/Shockey error]

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Two things about my OPIHI draft... for starters... Carson Palmer's in my stable, not the Dodgers'. Second, any comments on my draft should should also include TE Jeremy Stevens, because that's who I got for my original 1.11 draft spot. With that in mind, I have no qualms about calling everyone after Michael Clayton "a prospect."

As for overall Drafts... I have to tip my cap to the Dodgers. Think they clearly got the most out of all their picks... with the Mutts coming in 2nd (love their first 3 picks!).
Jeremy Stevens? I think you mean Jeremy SHOCKEY, but if you prefer Stevens I'm certain the Undead will oblige you! ;)
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Jeremy Stevens? I think you mean Jeremy SHOCKEY, but if you prefer Stevens I'm certain the Undead will oblige you! ;)
... oh yah, that guy! I'll edit my previous post. Thanks for pointing this GLARING TYPO out for all to see, Mike! :WinkKiss
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Two things about my OPIHI draft... for starters... Carson Palmer's in my stable, not the Dodgers'. Second, any comments on my draft should should also include TE Jeremy SHOCKEY, because that's who I got for my original 1.11 draft spot. With that in mind, I have no qualms about calling everyone after Michael Clayton "a prospect."

As for overall Drafts... I have to tip my cap to the Dodgers. Think they clearly got the most out of all their picks... with the Mutts coming in 2nd (love their first 3 picks!).

[edited my bonehead Stevens/Shockey error]
Great points Jim. For some reason I thought Palmer was on the Dodgers. They still have Pennington who's a young stud. Shockey definitely adds to your overall draft grade (in theorey :p ).
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Real nice assessment Joe. However, if we are including players like Shockey I think we need to consider all the trades that took place (that did not just involve this years picks). Soap Box may have not had a rough year this year but has a lot of potential for next year. Jim added Shockey. I added Shipp and LJ Smith and Jake's third. Not sure what other deals moved picks in next years draft but I think Lamar Gordon also was dealt (for a pick this year).

Overall, it seems pretty hard to judge them this quickly but I think I would agree with your grades:

Wonder Mutts A
Nittany Dodgers A
Philadelphia Freedom A
Parkwood Predators A-
Liquid Swords B+
Jersey Toxic Waste B+
Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers B
Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects B-
Royal Hawaiian Opihi C
Urza's Ragers C
Indiana Undead C-
Soap Box Derby Car D


Who had the best draft?

I think the Mutts did great (although I really wish that they had let Reggie fall). The Dodgers got great value and have some nice QB prospects (I actually had Rothlisberger a little ahead of Eli in fantasy terms). Personally, I am really happy with my haul as I was able to sure up for this year and add prospects for coming years, particularity after being vilified for dealing the 3rd pick.

Who had the worst draft?

Kind of hard to say, in terms of this year it would probably be Soap Box Derby Car. However, I think that by adding a lot of picks next year they can make trades or try and target a couple of blue chippers.

Who were you hoping to get (and did)?

I got all of the players I targeted later in the draft which sort of surprised me. Henderson, Carthon, Kaeding and Echamandu were all high on my list after the top tier was cleaned out.

Who were you hoping to get (and didn’t)?

Reggie Williams was my big target and I thought he would be there at 11. I really wanted to team him with Leftwich.

Biggest sleeper?

I think this could go any number of ways since opinions vary but Jason Geathers was a player that was not even on my board.

Biggest reach?

I think Devard Darling could be a very good player but I think this may have been a little early for him especially considering the other players on the board.

Best value?

Another very subjective one but getting Roy at 7 and then Jake grabbing Fitz and Reggie at 8 and 9 seem like real nice value picks. Both of the Dodgers QB’s could be real nice value picks based on where they were drafted.
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I think I agree with the consensus grading. I wouldn't include the trades in the discussion, because I think the grades are accurate as far as judging what quality the teams got for the picks they had. But to each their own.

Who had the best draft?

Of course I am biased towards my own. I don't really like my third round pick, but there wasn't really anyone I liked at that point in the draft, and it was too early to play the homerism card. Other than my draft, I like the Wonder Mutts' draft a lot, though you gotta like any draft with the 8 & 9 pick. Eli was my favorite player going into the draft, so I gotta like the Preds draft. The Freedom would be my next pick, but I'm not as high on Evans as everyone else is, otherwise he'd be my top choice.

Who had the worst draft?

Soap Box Derby Cars, not for lack of talent, but lack of picks that I like. Darius Watts should have been his 2.5 pick.

Who were you hoping to get and did?

Two first tier players (by my board) and I got three.

Who were you hoping to get and didn't?

Eli, though I knew he wouldn't fall to me. I thought Clayton might fall to me at 2.2, but I knew he fell further than he should of in the first place so I knew that was wishful thinking.

Biggest sleeper?

I don't see a lot of sleepers, if for no other reason that we did a good job not letting any talent slip. If I had to pick one I'd say Tim Euhus.

Biggest reach?

Cedric Cobb, followed closely by Chris Perry.

Best value?

Lots of value picks. Fitzgerald was value at #9. Eli was value at #12. Watts was value at 2.14. There are others, but I'd have to go with Eli.
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I think I agree with the consensus grading. I wouldn't include the trades in the discussion, because I think the grades are accurate as far as judging what quality the teams got for the picks they had. But to each their own.
Probably just semantics but to me the picks each team had means the picks that they were alloted to start with. This would be as opposed to the picks that they ended up with.

Not that it matters much but if I had traded my four picks for Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, and Dante Culpepper I think I would have done well with those picks. However, it sounds like you are saying that this would deserve a poor grade.
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Probably just semantics but to me the picks each team had means the picks that they were alloted to start with. This would be as opposed to the picks that they ended up with.

Not that it matters much but if I had traded my four picks for Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, and Dante Culpepper I think I would have done well with those picks. However, it sounds like you are saying that this would deserve a poor grade.
I guess I was saying what I said just for simplicity sake. It's hard enough for me to look at the lists and grade each of the picks based on their value and place taken, but to throw in the trades makes it far more than my little brain can comprehend.

If you are including players teams traded away for, then logically you also have to take those players away from the grade of the team that traded them away. That just makes it too much for me to sift through. If someone else can do them, more power to them. However, I was just saying that I agreed with the grades for the most part, not even bringing the trades into question, as I was grading the drafts based purely on the quality of the picks, not the total quality of talent brought into each team through the draft.

Not necessarily semantics, just a different way of doing things.
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I'm very happy with my draft, especially considering I started out with no 2nd round pick. Trading out of the 1.1 slot, and thereby passing on Kevin Jones, was difficult... but landing Dom Davis, Larry Fitzgerald, and Reggie Williams in return is awfully good value IMO. I was also able to time the demand perfectly with my move to get Troupe. I had him targeted as my #1 desired TE, and knew it would be difficult without a 2nd round pick this year... but I got it done just in time. I truly feel Troupe may pan out to be the best long-term TE performer of this draft. I am a huge Canes fan (as apparent with my Geathers pick) and have therefore watched about 95% of Winslow's college games. All I can say is that the Brown's better turn into a powerhouse team because when Kellen's team starts losing he'll simply quit playing, right there on the field. With my final round picks I decided to go volume. The way I see it, it is silly of me to fancy myself a good enough scout that any single player I selected in the 3rd or 4th would have an impact on my team. So, I decided to turn that single player into 3 players in the hopes that I am able to single out an impact player before final cuts are made.

As for the best draft... I really like what the Toxic Waste did. Maybe not flashy, but he landed 2 very good RBs that should get opportunities to shine in the next few years. I considered Michael Jenkins to be in a deadlock with Evans for the 4th best WR in the draft. Watts is getting rave reviews from Shanahan in minicamps, who is calling him a steal even though the Broncos took him in the 2nd round. Even his 4th round pick Euhus should have an opportunity to see playing time on a Bill's team with very little in the way of competitors at the TE position. Honorable mention goes to the Dodgers and Preds, who both turned in solid drafts.
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