2007 Rookie Draft Commentary

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

You're insane. CJ has more talent than Rice, and is in a better situation. They aren't even close.

Yes, Millen is an idiot, but he can't prevent CJ from showing his talent. As long as Martz is in town (which, granted, may not be long), CJ is in a class of his own among the WRs.

CJ is all hype.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

CJ is all hype.

That can be your contention, but you can't logically contend that Minnesota is a better situation for a WR than Detroit, just by invoking Millen's name. There is nothing better in MN, other than lack of competition, than Detroit.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

That can be your contention, but you can't logically contend that Minnesota is a better situation for a WR than Detroit, just by invoking Millen's name. There is nothing better in MN, other than lack of competition, than Detroit.

Roy Williams is a huge issue for me as is the quagmire that is the Detroit Lions. The best hope for CJ is to share WR1 duties, whereas Rice has the door wide open to become a clearcut WR1 in a young likely emerging offense with a much better backfield. The QB's are a toss up, but I'll take the emerging Jackson over Kitna.

As for Martz, lets see what happens when he leaves in a year. The Detroit situation is a mess, we're talking 5 year contracts on these guys, and CJ is likely mired for at least a couple of those years as a WR2 behind Roy Williams on a team more likely to implode (again) long before they turn things around.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

Roy Williams is a huge issue for me as is the quagmire that is the Detroit Lions. The best hope for CJ is to share WR1 duties, whereas Rice has the door wide open to become a clearcut WR1 in a young likely emerging offense with a much better backfield. The QB's are a toss up, but I'll take the emerging Jackson over Kitna.

As for Martz, lets see what happens when he leaves in a year. The Detroit situation is a mess, we're talking 5 year contracts on these guys, and CJ is likely mired for at least a couple of those years as a WR2 behind Roy Williams on a team more likely to implode (again) long before they turn things around.

Unfortunately until Childress leaves town, there is no upside for the MN passing game. Martz may be gone in a year, and that could have an up or down effect on Det, but Childress is in MN for a couple of years (unless this year is absolutely abysmal). Childress is no passing guru. He wants to run, and nothing more.

As far as Roy Williams, if AZ can produce two dominant receivers, I see no reason why Detroit cannot. Heck, Furrey was a marginal FF producer last year, and he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of CJ. St. Louis, with the same offense, had two consistent FF contributors. Roy is not a detrement, and probably help prevent double teams. CJ will put up starter numbers sooner, and better numbers than Rice over the next five years. Take that to the bank.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Unfortunately until Childress leaves town, there is no upside for the MN passing game. Martz may be gone in a year, and that could have an up or down effect on Det, but Childress is in MN for a couple of years (unless this year is absolutely abysmal). Childress is no passing guru. He wants to run, and nothing more.

As far as Roy Williams, if AZ can produce two dominant receivers, I see no reason why Detroit cannot. Heck, Furrey was a marginal FF producer last year, and he doesn't have anywhere near the talent of CJ. St. Louis, with the same offense, had two consistent FF contributors. Roy is not a detrement, and probably help prevent double teams. CJ will put up starter numbers sooner, and better numbers than Rice over the next five years. Take that to the bank.

We can look back 5 years from now and see how much seperation there is... I suspect there won't be nearly as much as you think.

As I said earlier, had CJ fallen I woulda taken him, but Rice and Meachem are not THAT far off from him IMO. Time will tell which of us ends up right.

[Urza's Ragers]

What's the hold up??? Damn Mutts...

[Urza's Ragers]

Ooops, wrong team...my bad.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Sorry, I am still waiting to hear back from the team that sent me a PM about pick 1.06. If I do not hear back by 3pm EST I will post my pick.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Urza's Ragers

Ooops, wrong team...my bad.

Matt's hoping for the miracle draft day trade to keep him from having to choose from among 10 equal prospects.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

My pick is ready to go. However, someone sent me a PM prior to the draft starting about the pick and I am interested in learning more about what they had in mind. If by 3pm I have not heard back my pick will be posted (or as soon thereafter as I have a meeting at 2pm).

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

My pick is ready to go. However, someone sent me a PM prior to the draft starting about the pick and I am interested in learning more about what they had in mind. If by 3pm I have not heard back my pick will be posted (or as soon thereafter as I have a meeting at 2pm).

I'm just teasing... it's all good, heck, I don't pick again for a while, and Jake hasn't been heard from in 10 days, so I wonder if we'll be waiting around 24 hours after your pick anyhow. Don't hurry yourself, take your time.

As for my previous comment on the valuation of players at this point, the 4-18 picks are very difficult to order in this years draft and really come down to a matter of preference and to some degree need. 1 or 2 players stand out among the current players available, but it comes down to whether or not it's a position of need and if the value is really there.

Anyhow, with Jake's status up in the air, take your time. I sent him a PM to give him a headsup that he was on deck, and also PMd Nate to see if he can give him a call and alert him to the draft being underway. Hopefully he's around and can participate.

[smsmith40]

I completely agree about the next 10 or so prospects, unfortunately my next pick at 2.01 comes after the next drop off in talent and opportunity.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by smsmith40

I completely agree about the next 10 or so prospects, unfortunately my next pick at 2.01 comes after the next drop off in talent and opportunity.

I'm with ya there, my next pick is 2.3, which suddenly is #23 overall or essentially a late late 2nd.

Oh well... we just gotta play the hand we're dealt right!

[smsmith40]

Well, I'm holding out the hope taht 11 previously competent drafters all get a brain freeze over the next 2 days and collectively decide to let one of the very decent mid round WRs drop

[The Knights of Ni]

FYI...just spoke w/ Jake (mutts) and he will be making his pick shortly.

This means I will not be available for the 1.9 until after work which will be around 5:30 pst or so.

I have restricted internet access at work and surprisely when I try to pull up this site it is blocked as "entertainment". We certainly would want me to entertain myself at work now would we.

[Mutts]

I'm back in the country and ready for the draft guys ... I'm waiting to hear back on a proposal, but will be sure my pick is made before SBDC gets off work at 8:30 eastern.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Mutts

I'm back in the country and ready for the draft guys ... I'm waiting to hear back on a proposal, but will be sure my pick is made before SBDC gets off work at 8:30 eastern.

Welcome back Jake, we've missed you around here.

[Mutts]

Originally Posted by Preds

Welcome back Jake, we've missed you around here.

Sorry guys, I should have mentioned I had no intentions of keeping or acquiring anyone in RFA this year. Its going to be a rebuilding year for me - but remember, the Mutts have some experience going worst to first!

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Mutts

I'm waiting to hear back on a proposal, but will be sure my pick is made before SBDC gets off work at 8:30 eastern.

I know I have a poor record of getting the time zone thing mixed up... but we have passed that 8:30pm EST "sure pick" that the Mutts reportedly were going to make, right?

Really, how hard is it to write "1.07 QB JaMarcus Russell, OAK"? ;)

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

I know I have a poor record of getting the time zone thing mixed up... but we have passed that 8:30pm EST "sure pick" that the Mutts reportedly were going to make, right?

Really, how hard is it to write "1.07 QB JaMarcus Russell, OAK"? ;)

Ding, clearcut 1.7 IMO

[Valencia]

I wasn't going to complain... I know Jake has been away for a while.. But, "Some time today!!!". I will be going to work soon, so if it doesn't happen pretty soon. We will be waiting till tomorrow a.m. for my pick.

Late

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Valencia

I wasn't going to complain... I know Jake has been away for a while.. But, "Some time today!!!". I will be going to work soon, so if it doesn't happen pretty soon. We will be waiting till tomorrow a.m. for my pick.

Late

You could PM some who picked already your top 2, unless you wanted to trade your pick?

[Mutts]

I'm working on it guys. I've got a likely deal in the works, I've got to give it a chance to develop.

[Valencia]

Originally Posted by Mutts

I'm working on it guys. I've got a likely deal in the works, I've got to give it a chance to develop.

:loser 3stooges Make a pick sometime today. :tribe :tool oops :Sorry :newhere :feedback oops :nobodycar :whistle :sleep :threadsuc

[Preds]

YAWN...

Those of us on "official league time (ya know, the damn east coast bias and all)" would LOVE to see another pick before friggen hitting the sack.

Pick up the phone and make a deal... this PM wait shit SUCKS!!!!!!

:Bla:Bla:Bla:GoodPostbling:feedback


;)

[Flaxwless]

This has got to be the worst draft of my life.

Russell, Bush, and Bowe... all taken before me. Aaaarrrghhh. I guess I have to make that trade now.

[Nittany Dodgers]

I'm going to guess the Popes won't be picking for a few hours. He's in central time, not working, so he's probably sleeping for a while yet.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

I'm going to guess the Popes won't be picking for a few hours. He's in central time, not working, so he's probably sleeping for a while yet.

Telephone down?? JK, for those of us on the East Coast at work we have another 8 hours of sitting at our computers watching how this unfolds so a few hours is not going to kill us.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

Telephone down?? JK, for those of us on the East Coast at work we have another 8 hours of sitting at our computers watching how this unfolds so a few hours is not going to kill us.

I'd like to keep things moving as well, so I'll give him a call if I don't hear anything by 9 am CENTRAL TIME (that's for you, Mike) and tell him we're all waitin' on him.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Called Jason. He'll make his pick in about an hour probably.