Pencil in this deal with Shep

[PencilGeeks]

Pencilgeeks gives
2010 2.12 and QB Jake Delhomme, CLE (2yr/572cb)

Greatshepski gives
2010 2.14 and 2010 3.2

Shep to confirm..

[greatshepski]

Confirm - No reneg on Delhomme I can do that next year correct since he has 2yrs?

[pacificscrub]

You can reneg him any time prior to March 31 or the start of RFA.

[Scorpions]

nice collection of picks Pencilgeeks
and i gota say

[Bounty Hunter]

And I need him to whiff on, o, shall I say all of them; for me to gain any ground.

[Burt the Butcher]

you can reneg him now for 150cb or 5% increase...next year will be 300cb or 10% increase - both are whichever is greater

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

you can reneg him now for 150cb or 5% increase...next year will be 300cb or 10% increase - both are whichever is greater

Wrong. You can only reneg a player for 150 or 5% if they have a 1 year deal AND only if you are acquiring them in a trade.

7I. Renegotiation
Players with more than one year remaining on their contract can have their contracts renegotiated by the team holding their rights. When a contract is renegotiated, the current years salary gets a 10% or 300cb raise, whichever is greater, and the contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.


A player with less than one year remaining on his contract can only have his contract renegotiated if he is traded to another team. Once traded, the contract can be renegotiated with a raise of 5% or 150cb to the current year salary, whichever is greater. The contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

Delhomme was trade to another team but he has 2 years left so he is only eligible for the 300 or 10% raise.

[Scorpions]

i'm not sure about that
the way i read this, it specificaly says a player traded can have his renegotiated for 150/5, doesnt even mention 300 in that phrase, so it would have to mean it applies the 150.

A player with less than one year remaining on his contract can only have his contract renegotiated if he is traded to another team.Once traded, the contract can be renegotiated with a raise of 5% or 150cb to the current year salary, whichever is greater. The contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

[Scorpions]

actually the way this reads, i can renegotiate a player when he has 2 3 4 years reaming at 300/10%

and then it says if hes traded , you get 150/5%

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Flaxwless

Wrong. You can only reneg a player for 150 or 5% if they have a 1 year deal AND only if you are acquiring them in a trade.

Delhomme was trade to another team but he has 2 years left so he is only eligible for the 300 or 10% raise.

Read my response in the other thread you posted this question....this rule simply means that a player with 1 year left on his contract can only be renegotiated if he is traded...we have ALWAYS allowed a traded player to be renegotiated at 150cb/5% increase regardless of whether they had 1 year or 4 years....EVERYONE who has been in SAC'd since its inception has interpreted this rule that way, so let's not rock the boat and make things confusing now....

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher

Read my response in the other thread you posted this question....this rule simply means that a player with 1 year left on his contract can only be renegotiated if he is traded...we have ALWAYS allowed a traded player to be renegotiated at 150cb/5% increase regardless of whether they had 1 year or 4 years....EVERYONE who has been in SAC'd since its inception has interpreted this rule that way, so let's not rock the boat and make things confusing now....

WRONG.

A player with less than one year remaining on his contract can only have his contract renegotiated if he is traded to another team.Once traded, the contract can be renegotiated with a raise of 5% or 150cb to the current year salary, whichever is greater. The contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

This specifically states the 150/5% is applicable if TWO conditions are met.... 1 year deal AND traded to another team. No other scenario is mentioned.

Otherwise traded or not if they have more than 1 year left they get 300/10%.

Players with more than one year remaining on their contract can have their contracts renegotiated by the team holding their rights. When a contract is renegotiated, the current years salary gets a 10% or 300cb raise, whichever is greater, and the contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

There is nothing that says traded players with more than 1 year only get 150/5% renegotiation. I don't see any mention of a traded player only gets 150/5%? It only states that players with more than 1 year can be reneged for 300/10%. Nothing more and nothing less.

It specifically states the circumstances where the 150/5% is applicable and that is 1 yr AND acquired via trade.... NO OTHER scenario is outline for that.

[bigmash33]

I guess IMO, I don't see where the 'and' is in the traded and 1 yr left. I think this statement is referring to players with 1 yr left. The only way players with one year left on the contract can be reneg'd is through a trade.

I read this as: players with 2-4 yr left can be reneg'd by the current team at 300/10%....players with 1 yr left cannot be reneg'd by the current team...players with 1 yr left can be traded and reneg'd by the new team at 150/5%.

I just don't see anywhere that refers to players that are traded with 2+ yrs remaining.

I just don't see it defined either way on this issue in the rule.

[Scorpions]

Actually it says less than one year, so it means zero years
techinically speaking

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by bigmash33

I guess IMO, I don't see where the 'and' is in the traded and 1 yr left. I think this statement is referring to players with 1 yr left. The only way players with one year left on the contract can be reneg'd is through a trade.

I read this as: players with 2-4 yr left can be reneg'd by the current team at 300/10%....players with 1 yr left cannot be reneg'd by the current team...players with 1 yr left can be traded and reneg'd by the new team at 150/5%.

I just don't see anywhere that refers to players that are traded with 2+ yrs remaining.

You are correct. So think about it this way.

It specifically states WHEN the 150/5% is applied... only with 1 year deal and acquired via trade. Just like how you understood it.

It does not state what happens when a player 2+ is traded... but it DOES STATE a general rule of 300/10% when you hold the right to the player. So when you trade for a player with 2+ years... you hold his rights and can wait until the off-season to reneg but for 300/10%. No where does it say a multi-year player get 150/5%.

Ask Mike or Brian... pretty sure they can back me up on this.

[Scorpions]

I agree, the line is there to state that a player with one year left can only be reneg if it traded, otherwise trades are 150/5.

[Scorpions]

This means we need to go back and look at every trade in the past, as i know i reneg guys in trade who had more than one year on them.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Scorpions

I agree, the line is there to state that a player with one year left can only be reneg if it traded, otherwise trades are 150/5.

Where does it state ALL traded players can be reneged for 150/5%?

Please show me in the rules.

Like I said the rules give a SPECIFIC example of when 150/5 is used. You can't just assume ALL trades get 150/5.

[Burt the Butcher]

OK, well maybe I should have waited to take my meds...I guess I am not finding exceptions to the reneg with more than one year when player was traded...maybe I was just thinking we had always done it that way? Who is on the rules committee anyways? Too damn many rule interpretations/reinterpretions recently..my head is swimming....

[Scorpions]

it doesnt say all palyers anywhere, it states the situation, once traded you can renegotiate for 150/5, if your goign by the letter of the rule, it says with less than one year, not one year, so ineffect if we go by what you are argueing, then a player has to have no years left on his contract.

[Scorpions]

A player with less than one year remaining on his contract can only have his contract renegotiated if he is traded to another team.Once traded, the contract can be renegotiated with a raise of 5% or 150cb to the current year salary, whichever is greater. The contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Scorpions

it doesnt say all palyers anywhere, it states the situation, once traded you can renegotiate for 150/5, if your goign by the letter of the rule, it says with less than one year, not one year, so ineffect if we go by what you are argueing, then a player has to have no years left on his contract.

Once we roll over into the season the contract is < 1 year for each day that passes?

[Scorpions]

Doesnt make a diference to me, actually this would save me cap space, so i could give a rip which way this went.

And the way its written, no one can argue this is in stone this way or that, just the words "A player with less than one year remaining on his contract "
How exactly do you get to have less than one year on your contract, at zero.

[Scorpions]

once we roll into a new season, anyone with less than one year is cut, you would have to trade him before the season rolls, end of march is when season rolls, and when contracts years are subtracted.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Scorpions

A player with less than one year remaining on his contract can only have his contract renegotiated if he is traded to another team.Once traded, the contract can be renegotiated with a raise of 5% or 150cb to the current year salary, whichever is greater. The contract can be extended up to the standard maximum of five years.

Again this is the only mention of 150/5 only during this specific scenario.

150/5 does not show up anywhere else or with any provisions regarding traded players with multiple year deals.

[Scorpions]

yeah, but you would neve rhave less than one year remainign in any trade, 1 or more.
as you cant retain a player with zero years, he becomes a free agent

[Burt the Butcher]

I am going to post a new post to get everyones opinion on this....quite frankly Frank (heh), when I was reading this rule, my thought was this 150/5% did only apply to traded players with 1 year or less left on contract...I just thought we had always allowed reneg at 150 for all traded players...

[Scorpions]

Also the rule needs to be rewritten, to say with one year then, as no way i see in the current rules you can have a player with less than one year on your roster.

[Burt the Butcher]

Year starts April 1, so every players showing on your roster with 1 year on April 1st 12:01AM have less than 1 year left....these are the eligible players referred to.....

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[Burt the Butcher]

So anyways, yes Shep, you can reneg Dellhome next year

[greatshepski]

Wow - my head is spinning You guys are awesome, and to think I wasted my 6-7:30pm last night on watching the History Channel. This shit is way more interesting.