Shader deals with Philadelphia Freedom

[Shader]

Shader acquires Chris Johnson

The Freedom acquire Ray Rice, a 2009 FIRST-ROUNDER, and Chris Chambers.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Agreed. While I really like CJ and think he will be a weapon, a 2009 first and Rice (not to mention Chambers who should help as a WR 3 this year) made this too rich an offer for me to pass up.

[Shader]

I am a Chris Johnson homer. I think he'll be special. A stud.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

I don't disagree at all. However, from my perspective Rice was close enough to Johnson (no homer factor) and having spent $5K on McGahee it was too much (with Chambers and 2009 first) to turn you down.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

I'm not in this league... but I like the deal from Matt's perspective. Yes, Johnson should be a gamer. However, Rice is no slouch! Plus, with the knee injury to McGahee, he should get much more PT sooner than later. Chambers is the #1 WR in SD... and a first round pick in '09 is a great "cherry on top" of this ice cream sundae trade.

Then again... if Shader is a fan, it's always cool to have "your guy" on your squad!

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Shader

Shader acquires Chris Johnson

The Freedom acquire Ray Rice, a 2009 FIRST-ROUNDER, and Chris Chambers.

Wow!

Shader got raped.

[Popes]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Chambers is the #1 WR in SD

#1 WR, yes. #1 pass catcher? No. Mr. Gates is still the "#1 WR" in SD, even with the toe issues.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

BTW, not sure if we need to declare the rookie years yet. If so please give Ray-Ray 5 years.

[Shader]

You know what they say, A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I personally have no doubts that Johnson is an absolute stud. We're talking HOF material here. You've never seen speed like that on a football field. And since this league is PPR, that just adds to it. Everyone that's seen this kid during the pre-season has been stunned. The Rams players were absolutely amazed, and he broke longs ones on them all week long when they were in town.

Can you tell I'm a homer?

I think Rice will be a fine RB. I also think losing a 1st rounder next year isn't necessarily a good thing.

But I'll give that up to get a sure-fire stud.

Chambers is of no concern to me, as I was going to have to cut him because of salary concerns anyway. I mean he is a number 1 receiver, but I couldn't afford him. The Freedom could, so if thats what it took to get the job done, so be it.

[Popes]

Boy, I hope your assessment is right, because I have him (along with every other Titan RB) in Frenzy.

[Shader]

I had these feelings, and did this trade long before I read this article, Popes (I just read the article a couple hours ago) ..But check it out. It is enough to get you excited:

http://dynastyrankings.blogspot.com/...nson-hype.html

I'll add in that Johnson had one of the fastest acceleration times in combine history. Add that to his 4.24 speed...wow. I'm pumped.

He's one of those players that will kill me in all my leagues or possibly win me a bunch of championships though, as I'm overpaying for him like a madman in all my leagues.

[Shader]

BTW, Freedom, is was good dealing with you. You drive a hard bargain. You never backed down from what you wanted, then slyly threw in the Chambers request at the end. Very good trading, I'd say. I really thought I'd get you with Gonzalez/Cotchery, Chambers and a 1st.

[pacificscrub]

Johnson might very well turn out to be a stud (I hope so since I just took him in another league), but everything you said is alarmingly similar to what was being said about Reggie Bush last pre-season. I understand you think this guy's going to be a stud, but you gave up the price equivalent of moving up into one of the top 2 spots in an average rookie draft for someone who is unproven and who has performed mainly against non-starters. Flat out, you gave up too much at this point in the season.

[Shader]

Originally Posted by pacificscrub

Johnson might very well turn out to be a stud (I hope so since I just took him in another league), but everything you said is alarmingly similar to what was being said about Reggie Bush last pre-season. I understand you think this guy's going to be a stud, but you gave up the price equivalent of moving up into one of the top 2 spots in an average rookie draft for someone who is unproven and who has performed mainly against non-starters. Flat out, you gave up too much at this point in the season.

A fair point. However, this league for some reason has only 2 starting RB's. So I don't mind losing Rice and another Rice-like RB next year for a guy who I think will outperform Rice by quite a bit.

If you could start 3 RB's, perhaps I wouldn't do this deal, as it's potentially taking away two RB's for one. But with this structure, all you need is two stud RB's and then good backups. I feel I just got one, so I'm more than willing to "break the bank".

[Philadelphia Freedom]

BTW, Freedom, is was good dealing with you. You drive a hard bargain. You never backed down from what you wanted, then slyly threw in the Chambers request at the end. Very good trading, I'd say. I really thought I'd get you with Gonzalez/Cotchery, Chambers and a 1st.

Okay, from my perspective I have known you wanted him since right after I drafted him (http://www.predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12234) and you called him a “WEAPON”. Since you appreciated his talent and had the local TN thing going on as well I was pretty clear that you wanted him on your team. At the same time, I really liked him and really did not want to trade him (not really driving a hard bargain so much as I could not make myself pull the trigger).

Couple that with Reggie Brown being injured and not practicing and Brandon Marshall looking at a 2-3 game suspension I felt I could use another WR#3 (at least in FF terms) who was not too horribly overpriced. Also, with McGahee having the surgery it seemed like having Rice (who while I think Johnson is special I still think could put up equal FF numbers to Johnson each year) was not too big of a drop off. Finally getting your 2009 first rounder I could not keep saying no.

I think both players have the ability to be quality contributors and I do think Johnson is the better than Rice but not that much better when all the other pieces of the deal are considered.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Shader

I personally have no doubts that Johnson is an absolute stud. We're talking HOF material here. You've never seen speed like that on a football field. And since this league is PPR, that just adds to it. Everyone that's seen this kid during the pre-season has been stunned. The Rams players were absolutely amazed, and he broke longs ones on them all week long when they were in town.

Frank? Is that you?

[Burt the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom

BTW, not sure if we need to declare the rookie years yet. If so please give Ray-Ray 5 years.

Yes, years need to be declared on all players involved if they haven't already been assigned previously.

So Johnson also needs to assign years. No need to assign which squad they go on yet though....and techically, the years needed to be assigned before the deal was made by the team trading them. Since they are rookies, I can let it slide this time, as long as Johnson has his years assigned immediatly. Next time, I no be so.

[Flaxwless]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Frank? Is that you?

Anyone want to trade with me?

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Can we get the draft pick icon added for this thread for easier reference when we are pulling together the draft order to 2009? Thanks.

[Shader]

5 years for johnson. sorry about that

[Philadelphia Freedom]

2009 Draft pick(s) traded