Waivers for released players

[Preds]

I hijacked my other thread with this topic, and there appears to be significant interest in this idea, so I felt it deserved it's own thread.

Basically, the idea I proposed was to expose ANY released player to waivers, where his contract could be claimed by any team (based on a reverse order of record) within a 24 hour window.

If the player was claimed by another team, the original releasing team would not be subject to paying the 20% cap hit, although any applicable remaining signing bonus would still be charged against the original team.

It's a pretty simple concept, and wouldn't be too difficult to administer.

Anyone have some clarification or additions/deletions they'd like to add to the above?

[Nittany Dodgers]

I'd like the waiver order not to reset on a weekly basis. I don't think that makes sense in a league such as ours. I think we should set the waiver order priority only twice; once at the begining on off season free agency (ie June 1), once again at the begining on in season free agency, but then never reset it. Once a team makes a waiver claim, they are put down at the bottom of the list of the waiver priority.

Otherwise I like the idea.

[Philadelphia Freedom]

Not totally familar with the waiver concept but it sounds like an interesting one. If you guys could flesh it out a bit I think I would be happy to get on board here.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I'd like the waiver order not to reset on a weekly basis. I don't think that makes sense in a league such as ours. I think we should set the waiver order priority only twice; once at the begining on off season free agency (ie June 1), once again at the begining on in season free agency, but then never reset it. Once a team makes a waiver claim, they are put down at the bottom of the list of the waiver priority.

Otherwise I like the idea.

Inbteresting, I'm not totally opposed to your idea Brian, however, if we set it as you stated, the order would never change. I mean, we have no records to go by to change the order from the beginning of the off-season FA to the beginning on the in-season FA.

I think your idea is to reward lower tier teams all year long, while not opposed to that, I think maybe we should have an off-season order (based on the previous years standings), and then a mid-season order after week 7, which would be based on the records up to that point. This would give the lower tier teams 7 full in-season weeks to get 1st crack at released players, while having a mid-season adjustment that would be reflective of the trends up to that point (i.e. some teams likely will be improved while others will have struggled downwards by that point).

[Nittany Dodgers]

Mike, I don't think I've explained my thoughts very well, so I'll go into a little more detail. First off, the way I dislike it, and the way we do it in my other league is that the waiver order is reset at the end of every week. So the person in last place gets first shot at pickups that week (different from how we're doing it, but the same concept). Thus, if you win week 1 with a high score, you won't get a shot at good pickups ever, or at least not until you start losing.

The way I propose is that we set the order on June 1, and again at some point during the season, and then we do not reset it again. The only way the order changes is when a team actually makes a waiver claim, at which point they are bumped to the end of the line. It works like this;

Say we have a 4 team league, on june 1 the waiver order is:

Team 1
Team 2
Team 3
Team 4

Team 3 drops a player. Team 1 claims that player. The waiver order now looks like this:

Team 2
Team 3
Team 4
Team 1

Then Team 4 drops a player. Team 2 passes on that player. Team 3 claims the player. The order now looks like this:

Team 2
Team 4
Team 1
Team 3

The order would be reset to the starting order only at our predetermined dates, based on whatever criteria we decide.

This way, the team at the end of the priority list will eventually get first crack at someone in the waiver process, and not be penalized for success. In a redraft league, I think it makes sense to reset the order based on standings each week allowing teams to get back into contention. However, in a keeper league, it doesn't make as much sense.

[Preds]

OK Brian, I had understood the 1st part (resetting the order only twice a year, but I didn't understand that you wanted to make a team move to the back of the line once they claim a player.

I have no problems with that way either (although keeping track may be more difficult, I guess, we'd need to just keep a Waivers thread and have it be updated).

[Nittany Dodgers]

I could track the waiver thread. I don't forsee an overwhelming amount of players being claimed on waiver, so it should be fairly easy to keep updated. I can just edit the original post to show the current order, and add a post for every waiver claim transaction.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I could track the waiver thread. I don't forsee an overwhelming amount of players being claimed on waiver, so it should be fairly easy to keep updated. I can just edit the original post to show the current order, and add a post for every waiver claim transaction.

Work's for me :thumbsup

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

I like Brian's suggestion. That's how we run it in another league I'm in. Sure makes it a bit more interesting for drops and cap hits!!

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Interesting idea. So the if for example I cut a player with 2 years left and another team claims him off waivers, I am not responsible for the %20 cap hit this year but I am responsible for the remaining signing bonus (10% of the year 2 salary)? I just want to be clear. I'd be in favor of this, although I agree its unlikely we'll see alot of players claimed off waivers but you never know.

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

Interesting idea. So the if for example I cut a player with 2 years left and another team claims him off waivers, I am not responsible for the %20 cap hit this year but I am responsible for the remaining signing bonus (10% of the year 2 salary)? I just want to be clear. I'd be in favor of this, although I agree its unlikely we'll see alot of players claimed off waivers but you never know.

yes, you have it right Joe

[Flaxwless]

This idea sounds good to me.

One man's trash is another man's treasure!

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Bay Area Bloodsucking Insects

One man's trash is another man's treasure!

Where does that put JJ Stokes? :confused:

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Royal Hawaiian Opihi

Where does that put JJ Stokes? :confused:

I think it puts him on the Nittany Dodger roster next year.

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I think it puts him on the Nittany Dodger roster next year.

A man with a plan. Every night I go to bed and :bow to thank the FF gods that the Dodgers are in my division.

:WinkKiss

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

A man with a plan. Every night I go to bed and :bow to thank the FF gods that the Dodgers are in my division.

:WinkKiss

Ouch. That hurts.

At least we're still tied with lifetime post season victories.:whistle

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Ouch. That hurts.

At least we're still tied with lifetime post season victories.:whistle

GREAT comeback :thumbsup

NOW STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD AND GET BACK ON TOPIC! :box

[Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Ouch. That hurts.

At least we're still tied with lifetime post season victories.:whistle

Damnit! :Banghead

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Brain Dead Squirrel Chasers

A man with a plan. Every night I go to bed and :bow to thank the FF gods that the Dodgers are in my division.

:WinkKiss

Just looking through old stuff, and I thought this post really needed to be bumped in light of this years' final standings.

Whatever happened to this waiver idea?

[Preds]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

Just looking through old stuff, and I thought this post really needed to be bumped in light of this years' final standings.

Whatever happened to this waiver idea?

Was anyone opposed to this idea? Did we not vote on it since we were to far into the off-season? This seams like something we could incorporate for 2005 IMO.

[Nittany Dodgers]

Originally Posted by Preds

Was anyone opposed to this idea? Did we not vote on it since we were to far into the off-season? This seams like something we could incorporate for 2005 IMO.

I don't see a single viewpoint opposed. We should definitely have this on our voting agenda.

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Bring it on!

[Liquid Swords]

I like it

[Philadelphia Freedom]

This sounds good to me as well.

[Mutts]

I'm all for it.

[Urza's Ragers]

Good here.

[The Knights of Ni]

Works for me also

[Ypsilanti Undead]

I'm also for it. But: could we have a longer window in the off-season, say 48 hours?

[Nittany Dodgers]

I have a clarification question on the signing bonus portion. If a player is cut with a remaining signing bonus due, and he is picked up by another team, you state "any applicable remaining signing bonus would still be charged against the original team." I assume that would be an accelerated cap hit to the original team, correct? And if the same player is cut by the team that picked him up, is there a singing bonus cap hit for that team as well, or just the standard 20%?

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers

I have a clarification question on the signing bonus portion... And if the same player is cut by the team that picked him up, is there a singing bonus cap hit for that team as well, or just the standard 20%?

I would guess just the standard 20%, because the original team has already dealt with the full signing bonus. Good clarification question, though!

My understanding of the primary "savings" this policy is that it allows any team to claim a cut player at their current salary/contract rate (instead of waiting for the player to go back on the Free Agent market). The team doing the cutting still has to take the "signing bonus" hit, but can avoid the 10% prorated or 20% current salary hit (depending on what time of the year it is) if another team claims that player off of waivers...

Right?