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Originally Posted by Popes
I disagree with your premise. In my mind, the toilet bowl and lottery both deal with tanking (i.e. intentionally losing games at the end of the season). The expanded playoffs deals with inattention/inactivity of middle tier teams throughout the season - no one is accused them of tanking. And yes, it might make the bottom-tier teams try harder early in the season, but that is long before tanking ever becomes an issue. I'd like to see the voting as:
Re teams tanking:
1. no change
2. lottery
3. toilet bowl
Re increased competitiveness generally:
1. no change to playoffs
2. expand playoffs to 6
I'd argue the proposal you made above effectively defeats the toilet bowl by matching it up against the seeming support for playoff expansion, when the two are very different and address different issues. Why can't I vote for the two ideas I like (especially when they deal with separate problems, IMO)?
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Fine with me, but tanking is not a big issue to risk a Toilet Bowl. It won't take effect for 08, but why should I lose my #1 pick b/c of Joel's tanking (not trying to point fingers). Why should future bad teams suffer?
IMO... it's toilet bowl AGAINST expanded playoffs. Those against a Toilet Bowl are against it b/c it sacrifices the bottom teams. They are not agaisnt it b/c it does not prevent tanking, which it does, but so will expanded playoffs + lottery.
Also if you issue is the bottom teams tanking (ie not setting their best line up) then count me in with Jake and league wide vote would be the best solution.
I could support..
No change.
Expanded playoffs + bottom 3 lottery.
Expanded playoffs + league wide vote on tanking.
Either way for me and I'm sure most of the others in support of playoff expansion it's ether playoff expansion or toilet bowl... not playoff expansion AND toilet bowl.
Any Toilet Bowl, Extra Balls,, or anything that grants draft seeding on WINS... I am against.
I think Jake and Popes would support... PLayoff Expansion + league wide vote on tanking any others?
IMO... seems like Toilet Bowl is losing out.