New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I would like to propose new rankings for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft - we use this in another league:

Team rankings and tiebreakers
The three division winners and three wild-cards will advance to the playoffs.

Tiebreakers to determine the division winner will be:
1)W-L record
2)Head-to-head record among tied teams
3)Division record
4)Total Points scored
5)Coin flip
Division tiebreakers will be resolved prior to determining the wild card team.

Tiebreakers to determine the wildcard will be:
1)W-L record.
2)Head-to-head record among tied teams
3)Total Points scored
4)Coin flip

For WW and draft purposes, all teams will be ranked in the following manner:
The 6 non-playoff teams will be ranked worst-to-first using the Wild Card tiebreaker.
The 6 playoff teams will be ranked based on post-season results and seedings going into playoffs

This will not affect playoff seedings, just who makes it into playoffs, and how draft order will be determined.

It makes no sense to determine wild card based on Division Records, since we rarely have all teams from one division vying for the three WC slots.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I think this system fails in making H2H a tie breaker that allows wild cards to get seeded over a division winner with the same record.

IMO a wildcard should never be seeded above a division winner with the same record. Winning your division should trump head to head over a non-division champ with the same record every time.

Further, I feel the top 2 division winners should always earn the bye. A wildcard, regardless of record, should never earn the bye.

My 2 cents, seeing as RHP was victimizing this. It’s a serious weakness with this rule IMO.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

It says in the rule description:

"This will not affect playoff seedings, just who makes it into playoffs, and how draft order will be determined."

Maybe we are using it for seeding wrongly?

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Have you done it this way since the rule was passed or is the first time it effect a WC team tied a division winner but was seeded with a bye due to H2H?

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I can barely remember what we had for dinner last night..lol. But yes, have used the tie-breaker rules each year since its passed. I'd have to dig through league history to see if this has happened before...

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I think it's important to know if there is past precedent, because if there hasn't been a similar case I think the seeding should be fixed. Of course, I'm biased, but truly feel its wrong for a WC team to get a bye over a division winner.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I’m not sure what we are looking for.
In 2019 Division Winner Liquid Swords had 2nd best division record and Wild Card Opihi had same 9-5 record and in spite of winning only head to head game with Swords the bye went to Division winner Swords. Seems like precedent to me but we changed rules since BUT included qualifier of not to change bye selection process.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

The seeding rule was just changed this year in Frenzy.

SAC'd has been using this rule for years now.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Doesn't change the fact that allowing a WC team to earn a top 2 seed and the bye is a significant flaw. Still haven't seen if precedent has been set in SACD to support it being done this way.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Precedence is that this is what we voted on:
http://www.predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10502

The description of the option voted on is pretty specific:
"Basically seeds 2 3 and 4 would look at records. Winning your division would not guarentee you a 2 or 3 seed (no should it)"

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

In that instance, 15 years ago there were only 4 playoff teams, 3 division winners, 1 wild card, and no byes. Hardly a relevant comparable IMO. This vote allowed a WC to be seeded as high as 2, but again there was no bye and division winner won the tie (since it was impossible to be a WC without losing the division).

A vote regarding seeding for 4 teams with NO bye is NOT the same as seeding 6 teams with 2 byes for the top 2 seeds. I don't consider this precedence whatsoever.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I spoke out against this BS seeding before the results of RHP's Wild Card round loss this week, and stand by it. I absolutely detest the fact that RHP was robbed of a bye (which we earned as a division winner with the 2nd best record in the league, and frankly needed).

It's just WRONG for a Wild Card team to earn a bye over a division winner with the same record. Hell, IMO a WC should never earn a BYE, even with a better record than a Division winner. Total BS.

#unhappycamper

ETA nothing against John, congrats on the win. Hope you win it all, seriously. I'm just pissed at the bush-league process that seeded a freakin WC over a division winner. So dumb.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Why does winning a division mean you are a better team than someone who finished 2nd in another division? I think it's fair that they get a playoff birth, but don't think they should automatically get a bye. The 3rd division winner doesn't get a bye. I think the best record/point leaders should get the byes as they are the best two teams and actually earned it. The whole idea is to score the most points.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

I have no idea how I originally voted and if I'd realized it would enable a wildcard to get a bye over a division winner, I'd definitely vote against it today. As I've said before, this league was made to emulate the NFL as closely as possible. To me, that means potentially having bad division winners with byes, similar to the Redskins having a home playoff game with a 7-9 record in 2020.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Once again, as the rules state:
"Any member club can propose a change to the rules by calling for a vote from the entire league during the off-season ONLY. Simply write up something that can be answered with a yes or no, and if a majority of clubs vote yes, the rules will be changed accordingly."

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

So, even though it's passed... I haven't voted yet (not that it matters)... but this is for WHO MAKES THE PLAYOFFS only, correct? Not playoff seeding? (I seem to remember seeing Burt's statement about that).

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Nothing has been voted on yet. This is a poll from 2012. Will need a new poll.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

lol... i didn't look at the year. thanks.

Re: New ranking criteria for Wild Cards and Rookie Draft **PASSES 8-0**
 

Here's my off-season rule change proposal.

Scrap this shitty rule from 2012 and seed as follows:

Top 3 Seeds - Division Winners seeded 1, 2 and 3 based on record. Seeds 1 and 2 get the bye. The 3rd seed hosts their choice of the 3 remaining Wild Card teams.

Seeds 4 and 5 go to the 2 non-division winners with the best remaining records.

6th seed going to the top remaining team with the most All Play wins.

Tie-Breakers as follows:

#1 H2H (only if all teams have played same number of games) i.e. skip H2H when 2 or more teams are from one division, and 1 or more are from another division since all teams haven't played the same number of common games.
#2 All-Play Record
#3 Overall Points Scored
#4 Defensive Points Scored
#5 Offensive Points Scored
#6 Random.org dice roll

Wild Card Round
Game 1 - 3rd seed hosts their choice of seeds 4, 5 or 6 (decision must be made within 24 hours of the final seeding being posted or the lowest remaining seed will automatically be assigned)

Game 2 - highest remaining Wild Card seed hosts lowest remaining seed

Divisional Round
Game 3 - 1st seed hosts their choice of remaining 3 seeds (yes this means the 1 seed could choose the 2 seed if they prefer. The decision must be declared within 24 hours of the final wild card scores being posted or the lowest remaining seed will automatically be assigned)

Game 4 - highest remaining seed hosts lowest remaining seed

SACD BOWL
Highest remaining seed hosts lowest remining seed