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Preds May 13th, 2005 07:17 AM
# of RFA's per Team
 
In looking over the rules doc, I noticed that we did not consider the number of Restricted Free Agents (RFA's) each team would be allowed.

Currently the Frenzy allows for 3 RFA's based on an 18 man roster.

In SAC'D, we've increased the roster size about 66% to 30 players, but did not increase # the RFA's per team.

I'd propose that we split the RFA's into IOP and IDP, and allow 3 IOP RFA's as the Frenzy currently allows each year, and 2 IDP RFA's.

Before, putting this to vote, I'd like to see some discussion on the subject.

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Skippy the One Eyed Beagle May 13th, 2005 08:25 AM
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That sounds pretty good to me

The Immortal Ramirez May 13th, 2005 08:31 AM
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I agree. sounds fine by me

Liquid Swords May 13th, 2005 08:48 AM
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i like 5...but what about a choice? what would be wrong with say 2 IOP and 3 IDP RFAs?

randilover May 13th, 2005 08:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Preds
I'd propose that we split the RFA's into IOP and IDP, and allow 3 IOP RFA's as the Frenzy currently allows each year, and 2 IDP RFA's.
Uh, :newhere but I would think 4, 3 IOP's and 1 IDP. At this point, with 6 starters on D, why would you be able to restrict 33% of your starters? Proportiaonally it works out correctly (if you figure 8 or 9 IOP's in your other league). But 33% seems high, although that is probably what it works out to in IOP's as well. Do you guys notice that it seems high in the other league(s)?

Just a general observation from an outsider.

Mutts May 13th, 2005 09:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by randilover
Uh, :newhere but I would think 4, 3 IOP's and 1 IDP. At this point, with 6 starters on D, why would you be able to restrict 33% of your starters? Proportiaonally it works out correctly (if you figure 8 or 9 IOP's in your other league). But 33% seems high, although that is probably what it works out to in IOP's as well. Do you guys notice that it seems high in the other league(s)?

Just a general observation from an outsider.
I find 3 IOP RFAs to be about perfect in the Frenzy. It allows you to keep a core of players together, but also ensures a healthy amount of unrestricted free agents each year. I'm fine with 5 RFAs for SAC'D, but also wonder if it wouldn't make sense to remove the restrictions for IOP or IDP. I think working without restrictions might actually increase the number of interesting UFAs each year, as each team persues a different strategy. In other words, teams that want to protect all their defensive players may have to sacrifice by releasing quality IOPs to UFA, and teams that want to hoard their IOPs will have to release better defensive players.

Preds May 13th, 2005 09:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutts
I find 3 IOP RFAs to be about perfect in the Frenzy. It allows you to keep a core of players together, but also ensures a healthy amount of unrestricted free agents each year. I'm fine with 5 RFAs for SAC'D, but also wonder if it wouldn't make sense to remove the restrictions for IOP or IDP. I think working without restrictions might actually increase the number of interesting UFAs each year, as each team persues a different strategy. In other words, teams that want to protect all their defensive players may have to sacrifice by releasing quality IOPs to UFA, and teams that want to hoard their IOPs will have to release better defensive players.
If we were to allow 5 unrestricted RFA's, I think you'd see 4-1 and 5-0 in favor of offense too often.

We've allocated specific IOP and IDP spots on the roster, so putting limits on RFA's by the side of the field makes sense to me.

3/2 seems about right to me.

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle May 13th, 2005 09:38 AM
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I would normally vote for unrestricted. But since we have already went down that road by forcing teams to allocate 18/12 for IOP and IDP I think a 3/2 split would be consistant.

I agree that it takes away some of the strategy, but so did the 18/12 split.

The Immortal Ramirez May 13th, 2005 01:26 PM
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I agreed with Randilover, but I see what they are saying. 18/12 IOP/IDP in roster - 7to8 active IOP & 6 IDP...this would be even breakdown with the 2 RFA for IDP. because 3 IOP is about 1/3 of the starting line-up as well. Agree with your concern though.
I say 3-2 is fine. Above comments are also valid about 'hoarding' players. I think there will be many IOP hoardings until about year 2-3, when people who's never played in IDP before start to see there actually IS a value the IDP bring (more than they think). Then, they will attempt to keep some of them as well.

Burt the Butcher May 14th, 2005 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Preds
....I'd propose that we split the RFA's into IOP and IDP, and allow 3 IOP RFA's as the Frenzy currently allows each year, and 2 IDP RFA's.
I really don't like the fact we are setting restrictions based on IOP and IDP. I was against setting limts on roster per each, and would be against an RFA split. That being said, I think 5 RFA's is too many. I would think 4 would be plenty.

Philadelphia Freedom May 15th, 2005 08:59 AM
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I think 4 is about without any IOP or IDP restrictions.

keepers May 15th, 2005 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burt the Butcher
I really don't like the fact we are setting restrictions based on IOP and IDP. I was against setting limts on roster per each, and would be against an RFA split. That being said, I think 5 RFA's is too many. I would think 4 would be plenty.
:agree

Nittany Dodgers May 15th, 2005 02:33 PM
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I think with the addition of renegotiating and a farnchise player, we are more than adequately covered for retaining talent. Take a look at the UFA pool this year for the Frenzy. If we add any additional RFAs, I think the pool would be significantly worse. If that is the kind of available talent we want to see each year, fine, but I'd prefer to see at least a handful of 2nd tier players available each year. I'd like to see a season play out before we add any RFAs, and right now I am adamantly opposed to adding any to the current three we have.

randilover May 18th, 2005 08:23 AM
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This kind of died. I know we are in the middle of an auction, but do we want to put it to a vote before we move too far ahead? Someone might be swayed in their (fair) opinion once they see their roster, etc.

The Immortal Ramirez May 18th, 2005 09:18 AM
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I think I hit all the options mentioned...

Preds May 18th, 2005 09:28 AM
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FYI, at the TOP of this thread, Rami has added a POLL... please vote... thanks.

Nittany Dodgers May 27th, 2005 09:22 AM
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I assume with only five votes, this hasn't been decided.

Preds March 28th, 2006 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
I assume with only five votes, this hasn't been decided.
Apaprantly not... we need to finalize this ASAP!

randilover March 28th, 2006 03:11 PM
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What did I vote before, if it was something else, make if "4 with at least 1 IDP" please.

Preds March 28th, 2006 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by randilover
What did I vote before, if it was something else, make if "4 with at least 1 IDP" please.
That's what you voted

Doggler March 28th, 2006 03:32 PM
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I've been operating under the assumption that we only get 3 RFAs - probably just due to no one listing more than 3 yet.

Burt the Butcher March 28th, 2006 03:37 PM
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The rules currently state a restriction of 3

Philadelphia Freedom March 28th, 2006 03:39 PM
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Quote:
I think 4 is about without any IOP or IDP restrictions.
I change my mind in terms of the IOP and IDP restrictions but either way this is max number so you can always do less if you are so inclined.

Philadelphia Freedom March 28th, 2006 03:43 PM
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Okay, I might be about to reverse myself again. If we say 4 (with 1 IDP) what if a person only wants 2 RFA's and both are IOP. I think we really would want to say this differently.

Maybe something like up to 4 RFA's with no more than three of those being IOP's.

Nittany Dodgers March 28th, 2006 03:46 PM
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I will say yet again, with the addition of the franchising option, renegotiation of your own players as well as last year player trades for the purposes of renegotiation, we really have enough option to retain talent, and are waterdown the available free agent pool as it is.

Doggler March 28th, 2006 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
so you can always do less if you are so inclined.
I will almost certainly RFA the absolute maximum amount of players I'm allowed to RFA - if it's 8, I'll find a way to do 8. :)

I wholeheartedly agree with the Dodgers and others - with all the other tools available to us to retain talent, I really don't think we need the ability to RFA any more than 3 players.

I assume that there will not be many players switching teams thru RFA. It was this way in CDL, I don't know why it would be much different here other than the enticement of getting compensatory draft picks.

With rosters of 30 players, it's safe to assume that maybe 20 on any given team are any more than 'blah' status. Of those 20, how many are in their last year at any given time? 5? Even with 3 RFA's and a Franchise player, owners can work it so they protect nearly 100% of their talent year-over-year. I'd hate to see it get any easier than it already appears to be.

I'm a little more adamant about this one than I am the Home Field vote.

Preds March 28th, 2006 04:09 PM
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I'm with with the satus quo of 3 or going to 4.

I only bumped this because we never finalized the vote and randilover was asking legit questions.

Doggler March 28th, 2006 04:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Preds
I'm with with the satus quo of 3 or going to 4.
Then change yer vote so I can get my bossy way!:Bla

Preds March 28th, 2006 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Doggler
Then change yer vote so I can get my bossy way!:Bla
If it ends up in the balance I will.

Burt the Butcher March 28th, 2006 05:32 PM
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Smitty still neeeds to vote, right? Where did he go?

Flaxwless March 28th, 2006 05:45 PM
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3 RFAs is plenty with Franchsing and renegotiations.

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle March 28th, 2006 07:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggler
I will almost certainly RFA the absolute maximum amount of players I'm allowed to RFA - if it's 8, I'll find a way to do 8. :)

I wholeheartedly agree with the Dodgers and others - with all the other tools available to us to retain talent, I really don't think we need the ability to RFA any more than 3 players.

I assume that there will not be many players switching teams thru RFA. It was this way in CDL, I don't know why it would be much different here other than the enticement of getting compensatory draft picks.

With rosters of 30 players, it's safe to assume that maybe 20 on any given team are any more than 'blah' status. Of those 20, how many are in their last year at any given time? 5? Even with 3 RFA's and a Franchise player, owners can work it so they protect nearly 100% of their talent year-over-year. I'd hate to see it get any easier than it already appears to be.

I'm a little more adamant about this one than I am the Home Field vote.
FYI Doggler

Unlike CDL any player you make an RFA offer to is guarenteed a salary.

This is a big fix over CDL where you can tag someone and dump them cap hit free if no one bids on him.

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle March 28th, 2006 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaxwless
3 RFAs is plenty with Franchsing and renegotiations.
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Preds March 28th, 2006 07:34 PM
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I moved my vote from a year ago to the leave it at 3 option. Lets get this out of the way and stick with the status quo.

randilover March 29th, 2006 01:51 PM
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Yeah, me too. Move mine to 3.

Doggler March 29th, 2006 04:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle
FYI Doggler

Unlike CDL any player you make an RFA offer to is guarenteed a salary.

This is a big fix over CDL where you can tag someone and dump them cap hit free if no one bids on him.
Understood that completely...did I make it sound like I didn't? :)


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