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The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 02:00 PM

Rookie Draft
 
Let the fun begin...

E-mail Addy Summary

Rami - spains@compmgt.com
Dodgers - briangiel@hotmail.com
paulsonpatch - burtpaulson2002@yahoo.com
randi - mike_page_bisys@yahoo.com
Preds - BUFFALO PITBULLS - Preds1@gmail.com
Freedom - matthew.marshall@drexel.edu
Keepers - jackb@sympatico.ca
Skippy - noah@ffforecaster.com
Swords - pmullins@tisbook.com
Insects - xxjabronixx@hotmail.com
Valencia - wineluvr22@aol.com
Mutts - jda@accessbraille.com

still need to hear from the Mutts

FYI... I will enter the email addy's into the randomizer in the exact same order as listed above.

This is the site I will be using: http://www.profantasysports.com/DraftRandomizer.htm

- Preds

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 02:03 PM

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BTW, if Preds doesn't have your e-mail, can you get it to him, so he can do the random draft!

Preds April 21st, 2005 02:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
BTW, if Preds doesn't have your e-mail, can you get it to him, so he can do the random draft!

I'd like them all posted here in this thread if possible... I don't want to go searching for em. Thanks.

Preds April 21st, 2005 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
Let the fun begin...

The poll here is flawed... Matt's idea is not represented (I'd lean that way FWIW).

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 02:15 PM

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spains@compmgt.com

Also, adjusted the poll. Forgot his way. No way was I going to type that whole thing in there....

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 02:22 PM

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4 options? This is going to be a cluster ####.

briangiel@hotmail.com

Burt the Butcher April 21st, 2005 02:32 PM

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So is the draft order based on the random drawing, or does the random drawing determine who gets to select their spot first?

burtpaulson2002@yahoo.com

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 02:35 PM

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from my understanding the random drawing is to allow that owner where they want to draw. The first person drawn may not see the value of #1 pick (the fool) and choose to go elsewhere....

Burt the Butcher April 21st, 2005 02:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
from my understanding the random drawing is to allow that owner where they want to draw. The first person drawn may not see the value of #1 pick (the fool) and choose to go elsewhere....

Yah, I should have read the final few posting in the original thread.

BTW, the first couple picks are no-brainers, it's the mid-picks where things could start changing and be advatageous to take a lower pick. It all depends on which method we choose.

So stating that, we should wait on making the random drawing until this vote is finalized, which from the looks of the first 3 votes, may take a few tries (don't say it Preds.....)

randilover April 21st, 2005 02:52 PM

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mike_page_bisys@yahoo.com

EDIT: you might not be able to make it out, but there are underscores between each word.

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 02:57 PM

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matthew.marshall@drexel.edu

I honestly don't care but after all the time I am going with my convulted draft order.

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:01 PM

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Why do we have 6 email addy's but only 5 votes. Who has skipped their vote? (don't make me check out the Admin Panel dang you!)

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:02 PM

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I voted. So far it is 0-1-2-2. The cluster is on!

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:05 PM

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there are six votes, but actually I hadn't voted yet. Being the one who set the poll, I didn't want to vote immediately.

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:07 PM

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If this ends in a draw can we kill the rookie draft concept and just throw them into the vet auction? ;)

keepers April 21st, 2005 03:07 PM

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jackb@sympatico.ca

I have voted 1-12 and then 12-1 every round after. I am also fine with Matt's solution (thinking it over don't know that we have to go such extremes as Matt's since the declining $$ for each successive pick will also have a bit of an evening effect).

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
there are six votes, but actually I hadn't voted yet. Being the one who set the poll, I didn't want to vote immediately.

There are 6 votes now because Keepers was the last in... (still need the email addy posted). State your mind Rami.

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:09 PM

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0-2-2-2. :smoke

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds
If this ends in a draw can we kill the rookie draft concept and just throw them into the vet auction? ;)

bump ;)

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle April 21st, 2005 03:12 PM

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what is matt's way?

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds
If this ends in a draw can we kill the rookie draft concept and just throw them into the vet auction? ;)

No. I'll come up with a 5th alternative, and we can revote. We'll each get two votes to vote for our top two proposals we are in favor of, and one negative vote which we can use to take a vote away from the alternative we like the least. If it is still tied, the votes will remain the same, but we'll change our second affirmitive vote to only count as a half vote. Also, the negative votes cast will not count as a full negative vote, they will count as pi/100. That should eliminate all ties.

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
No. I'll come up with a 5th alternative, and we can revote. We'll each get two votes to vote for our top two proposals we are in favor of, and one negative vote which we can use to take a vote away from the alternative we like the least. If it is still tied, the votes will remain the same, but we'll change our second affirmitive vote to only count as a half vote. Also, the negative votes cast will not count as a full negative vote, they will count as pi/100. That should eliminate all ties.

this hurts just reading it...:smash:

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippy the One Eyed Beagle
what is matt's way?

Start with post # 77 on page 4 of this thread http://predsff.com/forums/showthread...0019#post30019 and work your way down, though post 77 is a good rough idea of his concept.

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:19 PM

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Matt's:

After looking at Brian’s post I updated the Excel sheet to show the right values. In this case the average per team is 4313 and here are the individual values (assuming Team 1 has pick 1.1 and Team 12 has pick 1.12) which are shockingly well distributed around that average:

Team 1: 4370
Team 2: 4250
Team 3: 4346
Team 4: 4255
Team 5: 4210
Team 6: 4295
Team 7: 4320
Team 8: 4340
Team 9: 4310
Team 10: 4332
Team 11: 4350
Team 12: 4380

Using the chart (for what it is worth to even each teams value) here is each teams picks:

Team 1: 4370
1.01-3000
5.03-380
6.03-265
6.04-260
6.07-245
6.12-220

Team 2: 4250
1.02-2600
3.06-600
5.11-300
6.02-270
6.05-255
6.11-225

Team 3 :4346
1.03-2200
2.10-780
3.10-550
5.10-310
6.01-276
6.10-230

Team 4: 4255
1.04-1800
2.09-800
3.03-660
4.09-440
5.09-320
6.09-235

Team 5: 4210
1.05-1700
2.08-850
3.04-640
4.08-450
5.08-330
6.08-240

Team 6: 4295
1.06-1600
2.07-875
3.07-590
4.07-460
4.10-430
5.07-340

Team 7: 4320
1.07-1500
2.06-900
2.11-740
3.08-580
5.06-350
6.06-250

Team 8: 4340
1.08-1400
2.05-950
3.05-620
3.12-530
4.05-480
5.05-360

Team 9: 4310
1.09-1350
2.04-1000
3.09-560
3.11-540
4.04-490
5.04-370

Team 10: 4332
1.10-1300
2.03-1050
2.12-720
4.03-500
4.06-470
5.12-292

Team 11: 4350
1.11-1250
2.02-1100
3.02-680
4.02-510
4.11-420
5.02-390

Team 12: 4380
1.12-1200
2.01-1150
3.01-700
4.01-520
4.12-410
5.01-400

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
No. I'll come up with a 5th alternative, and we can revote. We'll each get two votes to vote for our top two proposals we are in favor of, and one negative vote which we can use to take a vote away from the alternative we like the least. If it is still tied, the votes will remain the same, but we'll change our second affirmitive vote to only count as a half vote. Also, the negative votes cast will not count as a full negative vote, they will count as pi/100. That should eliminate all ties.

DAMN YOU... I just spit out my Pepsi again!

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:20 PM

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no Diet Pepsi today?

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
no Diet Pepsi today?

shhh... I got roasted for the Diet Pepsi thing last week... thought I'd keep it on the down low today ;)

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
this hurts just reading it...:smash:

Ahh, it worked.


Was it diet again, Mike? Nevermind.

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle April 21st, 2005 03:24 PM

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noah@ffforecaster.com

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds
If this ends in a draw can we kill the rookie draft concept and just throw them into the vet auction? ;)

I second this proposal :box

pmullins@tisbook.com

You'll get my vote here in a lil' while....anybody got a coin?

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords

You'll get my vote here in a lil' while....anybody got a coin?

a four-sided coin?

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 03:33 PM

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standard serpentine won the coin toss. it really doesn't matter to me as i'm still opposed to the whole idea anyway....but at least the serpentine vote isn't so lonely any more...it's kinda like voting for ross perot, jesse jackson or reggie jackson for president

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
a four-sided coin?

i seeded them from top to bottom so serpentine got the 1 seed and faced off against the 4th seeded Matt's way. the championship consisted of 1 vs 3

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 03:34 PM

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If it saves time to move my vote to another method please feel free to do that (currently I am support my highly convulted order).

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords
i seeded them from top to bottom so serpentine got the 1 seed and faced off against the 4th seeded Matt's way. the championship consisted of 1 vs 3

Damn-it... I need to clean up another spill!

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
If it saves time to move my vote to another method please feel free to do that (currently I am support my highly convulted order).

Wanna know what's crazy Matt... I actually back and support your convuluted insane method over the other concepts!

Oh yea, I haven't mentioned this for a while... but this whole ROOKIE DRAFT BS SUCKS :furious

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords
I second this proposal :box

pmullins@tisbook.com

You'll get my vote here in a lil' while....anybody got a coin?

Hang on a sec, I'll dig out my D&D 4 sided die.

I see I am a little slow here yet again. It was still funny (I thought).

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 03:37 PM

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Reggie Jackson went to my high school.

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:38 PM

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someone actually HAS D&D 4-sided dice?

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
Hang on a sec, I'll dig out my D&D 4 sided die.

friggen GEEK

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:39 PM

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any way to contact those gents who haven't voted?

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:39 PM

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What, like I'm the only one who brings them to work so I can run statistical analyses with them over lunch?

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
What, like I'm the only one who brings them to work so I can run statistical analyses with them over lunch?

*crickets*

you're scaring me dude

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
Reggie Jackson went to my high school.

me --> :bow GOD Smilie <-- Reggie Jackson

Cheltenham Township HS, eh?

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Preds
*crickets*

you're scaring me dude

You know what I like to do? I like to roll three at once, add them up, and then see how many more rolls it takes to beat that record. You wanna see the spreadsheets I put together on that?

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
You know what I like to do? I like to roll three at once, add them up, and then see how many more rolls it takes to beat that record. You wanna see the spreadsheets I put together on that?

What happens when you roll three 4's?

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nittany Dodgers
You know what I like to do? I like to roll three at once, add them up, and then see how many more rolls it takes to beat that record. You wanna see the spreadsheets I put together on that?

<blink blink> <- stunned stare...
Dude, there are some things you just shouldn't admit to anyone outside your therapist...:nono:

Preds April 21st, 2005 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
<blink blink> <- stunned stare...
Dude, there are some things you just shouldn't admit to anyone outside your therapist...:nono:

Need another towel lol

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 03:47 PM

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Quote:

You know what I like to do? I like to roll three at once, add them up, and then see how many more rolls it takes to beat that record. You wanna see the spreadsheets I put together on that?
This sounds like one of those what would we do without sports commercials on ESPN.

BTW, those multi-sided dice (die) were great for creating sports game before the advent of Nintendo and Sega. And yes we used to keep track of the stats and trade players and all kinds of stuff.

Skippy the One Eyed Beagle April 21st, 2005 03:48 PM

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man i need to talk to my boss and schedule some more message board time...


...been too busy today.

Good stuff fellas.

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid Swords
What happens when you roll three 4's?

YAHTZEE!!! Oh, wait...

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
This sounds like one of those what would we do without sports commercials on ESPN.

BTW, those multi-sided dice (die) were great for creating sports game before the advent of Nintendo and Sega. And yes we used to keep track of the stats and trade players and all kinds of stuff.

Now you're just being silly.

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 04:00 PM

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Quote:

Cheltenham Township HS
Please tell me you looked that up and did not just know it off the top of your head.

CHS Panthers, baby!!

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 04:01 PM

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Three votes left.

If no majority win (which it is doubtful), then I will eliminate the lowest one (or two if there is a tie) and we'll vote on yet ANOTHER thread....

Philadelphia Freedom April 21st, 2005 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Three votes left.

If no majority win (which it is doubtful), then I will eliminate the lowest one (or two if there is a tie) and we'll vote on yet ANOTHER thread....
I am heading home for the night so if it makes a difference feel free to move my vote to make a majority (especially if it saves us from having to have another vote!!).

The Immortal Ramirez April 21st, 2005 04:08 PM

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I don't have authority to do that, but I'll make sure Mike knows. I leave at 5 and won't be on until tomorrow morning...

Liquid Swords April 21st, 2005 04:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Philadelphia Freedom
Please tell me you looked that up and did not just know it off the top of your head.

CHS Panthers, baby!!

When it comes to the Yankees and Dodgers (hell baseball in general), I know more than you'd care to hear. But to answer your question, yes, I knew that off the top of my head (didn't know the mascot though). I wrote a report on Reggie Jackson in high school...I can almost recite it from memory along with Reggie's career stats year-by-year in the majors.

Nittany Dodgers April 21st, 2005 04:13 PM

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Currently the vote is 1-4-2-2.

It took me on 9 tries with my four 4-sided die to roll a one, four and two two's in order.

Preds April 21st, 2005 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
I don't have authority to do that, but I'll make sure Mike knows. I leave at 5 and won't be on until tomorrow morning...

Rami, I'd like to congratulate you for being the 1000th post in the Rules Forum. Well Done. For that you get this...

I HATE THE IDEA OF A ROOKIE DRAFT THIS YEAR :furious

Preds April 21st, 2005 04:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Immortal Ramirez
I don't have authority to do that, but I'll make sure Mike knows. I leave at 5 and won't be on until tomorrow morning...

FYI, I'm going out tonight with the wife and won't be online till late as well (friggen theatre... the things a guy has to do to be allowed his "hobby").


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