Players changing positions
 

So I was interested in finding out how MFL handles position changes for players like Jadeveon Clowney (LB to DL) and more recently Ty Montgomery (WR to RB). Here's how MFL addresses this question:

Can Ty Montgomery be listed as a RB instead of a WR?

Answer: Yes, the commissioner can use the For Commissioners > Setup > Players and Rosters > Change Player Position screen to change the position for any player as needed or desired for your league. After a player position is changed, the player will only receive fantasy points based on the scoring rules defined for his new position.

For some background on the player positions, there isn't any way to designate a player at a "dual position", so each player is listed within MFL at a single position. We use the Rotoworld.com Depth Charts as our official source for all player positions at the beginning of the season. Then after the season starts, we generally don't make site-wide position changes, so it is up to your league commissioner to decide how to handle any player position changes after the season starts.

Regardless of how Rotoworld.com has a player position listed, the commissioner can use the above Change Player Position option to over-ride any player's position.

In addition, if you wish to allow your owners to be able to change the player's position, you can enable the option "Allow owners to change the position of these players back and forth between the MyFantasyLeague.com default position and your custom position" on the Change Player Position screen. Then after that is done, the owners will be able to use the For Owners Change My Player Position option to adjust the position of their player each week as needed.

Source: http://www03.myfantasyleague.com/2016/support


So based off of that answer, it would be up to us on how we determine a position change. I have a few ideas that we could discuss for next season:

1. Allow owner to request change, but owner can only change that player's position once. Once changed the player remains at that position for the rest of the year.

2. Once more than 50% of games played (minimum 5 games) are played at the new position, we automatically change the player's position (or similar to first option - owner can request change)

3. Do nothing. Once player starts season at one position, he remains at that position for the remainder of the year.

Any other thoughts?

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Mike brought up a good point in Frenzy:

So that means that we need to change Ty Montgomery's position to RB and Jadeveon Clowney's position to DL as outlined in the MFL answer above.

Does anyone know of any other position changes that have occurred this season?

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Ty Montgomery is still listed as WR on Packers depth chart (http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html)

Jadeveon Clowney is listed as DE on Texans depth chart (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depth-chart.html) - please change this in MFL

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I agree with the above, but it bears mentioning that a number of other sites have officially changed Montgomery's designation to RB on their sites.

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We have this from a few years ago.

http://predsff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15655

Seems like following this would reduce/keep the commish work load the same as it is now.

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Correct, but if you read the message from MFL, it is up to our commissioner/league admin to change the designation.

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I read it as going with what is on MFL.

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Well, we need a ruling on this as this affects my starting lineup this week.

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Also, note that this all related to position changes from the prior season to the current season, not position changes during the season, which is the case with Clowney and Montgomery

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IMO Frenzy and SACD Should be using rotoworld's depth charts for in-season position changes. We've always followed MFLs positional assignments and they use rotoworld.

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Jadeveon Clowney is listed as DL everywhere (e.g., Rotoworld, HoustonTexans.com, NFL.com, ESPN.com).

Ty Montgomery is a bit of a question mark (listed at WR and RB depending on source). Frenzy just ruled that he will stay as WR for this week, but further clarification needed.

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Sorry guys I have had limited access this week. I will have to read over the rules, but I don't recall having to go in and manually change positions before, so first pad I would say we stay with what mfl allows automatically. Manual change mid-season I think would need to go to a vote for rule change

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Be sure to check out discussion in Frenzy as well. We've dealt with changes from one season to the next, but this year is the first instance where we've had to deal with in-season position changes.

Clowney has been listed as a DL everywhere but our league for most of the season.

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Between all the discussion points Mike brings up, I guess I am really not following what the decision was. If you can explain here what they decided in Frenzy, I think we should do same in SAC'd. If I need to manually make a position change, we should start a thread listing the players who need that to be changed, from what to what, and link showing justification (from whatever depth chart we are to use) - I am still in a whirlwind between unpacking, transferring addresses, finalizing bills from move, and starting back up work, that I will go with whatever Frenzy decides.

One note, on Clowney - you are saying he has been DL all season...I hope you do not want to have lineups adjusted from beginning of season?

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Here's what Jim says (of course related to Ty Montgomery since there aren't any IDPs in Frenzy):
In response to Mike about Montgomery marked as RB by various sources:
Final statement from Jim regarding the situation:

From our rules:
NFL depth chart for Houston: http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexa...chart?team=HOU

Houston Texans depth chart: http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depth-chart.html

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No, I've never started Clowney at any position this year.

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So Mike is saying we have and should use Rotoworld depth charts, and Jim is saying he will allow Montgomery at WR this week, but new ruling may come after some further research.

RotoWorld has Montgomery listed at RB and Clowney at DE. So maybe that is where my confusion is...if Jim is leaving Montgomery listed as WR this week, then my leaning would be to leave Clowney at LB this week also.

Or we go our own way, and I change both to be what Rotoworld depth charts are and change both manually.

Opinions from Rules committee? Bobby and Matt can chime in

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Since we use Rotoworld as "position officials" I don't have a problem making in season changes. However I believe it has to be a 2 way street in that if Rotoworld make another in season change (on the same player) we make the change also.

Another item to keep in mind is everyone needs to keep an eye out for changes that may not be obvious and make those changes. it's up to all of us to "protect the field" to assure no one gains an unfair competitive edge.

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Since there really isn't a firm decision, I guess we leave Clowney as a LB for this week.

My argument was that Clowney has been listed as a DL for weeks and is listed as such on all sites. Montgomery was just listed as a RB on some sites this past week. Completely different circumstances.

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My feeling is, since MFL uses Rotoworld depth charts, we should stick with that. Also, since they do not update position during the season, we need to come up with something in the rules to go by to adjust position during season. I am thinking it should be up to each team to monitor their players, and if a player has been changed to another position on Rotoworld, they bring it to the commish's attention, and it gets changed at that time. Or really anyone can bring it up and it should be changed. Montgomery and Clowney are good examples - it seems to be to the teams benefit to have their position changed. But if they change back, then it should also be brought up even though would not be to their advantage. I had that same situation last year, when Arizona moved Buchannon to LB, but he was still listed as DB on MFL. Definitely was to my advantage to start him at DB rather than LB.

If someone wants to create a poll, we can vote on it this season, else bring it up next year.

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I think it's pretty rare that we see these position changes during the season. Usually it's a move from CB to S or DE to DT, which still remain within our lineup requirements (DB, DL).

I was unaware of any last year - was Buchannon the only one? This year, I only know of Clowney and Montgomery. Have there been any others in recent memory?

Trying to think of ways to make this easier - is MFL able to at least notify us of any position changes that Rotoworld makes?

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Buchannon was only one I was aware of, and only because he was on my team. Let me put in a question to MFL to see if there is a way we can get notification of position change.

I still think we should go ahead and vote on it to just make it a rule, that is a players position changes mid season, we should adjust MFL.

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I think it's pretty easy to self police. Teams are responsible to keep their cap and roster in line with the rules, they more than anyone should know when a position change has occurred.

I think all league teams can police it easily as well. Just supply evidence of the rotoworld position for whatever player on whomever's roster, and the player gets changed to that position until further notice. If rotoworld changes positions down the line the player would again get switched to whatever position it is.

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I have received response from MFL - they do not have any way to notify leagues of position changes - so yes Mike, it will need to be self governed.

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Since Frenzy has decided to allow in-season position changes, are we going to do the same in SAC'D?

If so, we would need to adjust Ty Montgomery (Tommyknockers) from WR to RB and Jadeveon Clowney (36 Chambers) from LB to DL. I haven't seen any other position changes yet.

We will also need to keep an eye on Montgomery possibly switching back to WR.

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Sounds like we should

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I've adjusted Clowney. Not sure what to do with Montgomery, since Rotoworld has him listed at both RB and WR on the depth charts. He is still on TS, so maybe not an issue. But I think we should take this to a vote if we decide to carry these in season changes forward, and account for when they are listed at two positions. I do not think MFL allows for multi positions

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Click on his profile page and Rotoworld lists Montgomery as RB.

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His profile page isn't the depth chart

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Like I posted in Frenzy thread...since Montgomery is listed as both RB and WR, I'd lean more toward keeping him as WR which he was at beginning of season.

At least Clowney is clearly listed as DL and not LB.

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players are often listed on the depth chart in multiple places. Usually at the same position but not always. His profile shows RB, a player search by last name shows him as RB. The kid is a freakin RB right now. It's crystal clear that he's lining up in the backfield for well over 70% of snaps. Rotoworld could list him as RB/WR on the profile or player search, but they don't they list him as RB. How hard is this? Are we going to start defining a catch? Lord knows the f'n NFL can't even do that.

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Just trying to make it as simple as possible...I have enough work to do without chasing player position definitions and watching every single game to make sure its accurate.

Since Montgomery is still on Tommyknockers TS, I am going to leave him as listed on MFL. If Brandon decides to activate him, I will look at his 'player page' at that time.

We really need to put this to a vote to make it more clear on how to handle this. Two years in a row at least one player has changed position mid season, and I think especially on DEF, this trend could continue

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Rotoworld now list Browns Emanuel Ogbaugh as a DE(as opposed to a LB). My research shows he has been playing mostly DE for the last 7 games. He's on my PS and needs more production before I move him up.

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Looks like we may have another position change to be on the look out for. Duke Johnson, Cleveland, working as a slot WR.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde..._camp_155.html